I Quit My Job To Play Poker AMA (2 Viewers)

Anthony Martino

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in the vein of the great thread by @Bmeister51 who plays way beyond any limits I can touch, wanted to do something similar. Many of you probably already suspected it given the amount of posts I've had in the "show us your live stacks" threads.

But I quit my job to play live poker for a living, ask me anything!

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Are you serious Clark? You really quit your job to play poker?
 
Did you realise it's not April 1st?

I'm very serious

What was your day job?

I was a manager for a trucking company that hauled cars locally to and from dealerships and auctions. We had a fleet of seven 7-car haulers plus four tow trucks that could carry two vehicles at a time. It was a salaried position and I usually worked 70+ hours/week. My work followed me home constantly, as dealerships are key-to-key for management personnel so they want everything yesterday but want to give you zero notice.

I was taking the stress home with me and it was affecting my marriage. Even when I was home, I wasn't "present" because I had drivers on the road until 9pm at night, sometimes later. We never had enough drivers to deal with when a driver was sick, or just decided to not post for work, so it was just a ton of stress and I reached the point where I decided I wasn't going to permit my job to ruin my marriage, and gave my two weeks notice and made the change.

I was making 60-70k/year in my previous position, fwiw.

What’s your hourly?

I won't give a specific, but will say that it's a ton more than I ever made working for "the man" with my Associates Degree in business, and I'm very pleased with where it's at given the stakes I play.


Can you see over your stacks?

I have to leave a hole between them so I can see through them to the table.

Did you just leave immediately or did you have to train your replacement at Dennys before you left?

How hard is it to sell Moons over My Hammy?

Are you serious Clark? You really quit your job to play poker?

Yes, I am serious

I assume your wife has the benefits? I can’t imagine paying for COBRA

I can't remember the last job I had that actually HAD benefits. The majority of my career has been working for family-run businesses. I did not have benefits in my previous job.
 
How many hours a week are you planning on playing? Weekends mostly when the party people are out or out in the 9-5 grind?

Are you planning on tracking your wins (hopefully) and declare it on your taxes?

Is this expected to be a long term job change or did you get burned out at the last job and feel like doing this for a few months?

I have a bunch more but I’ll space them out.
 
Are you dual income, then? If not, what percentage of your winnings go to maintaining your household?

How many hours a week are you playing?
 
How many buy ins is your bankroll? Are you looking for backers?
 
Are you straight cash now, or do you still dabble in tournaments?
 
How many hours a week are you planning on playing? Weekends mostly when the party people are out or out in the 9-5 grind?

Are you planning on tracking your wins (hopefully) and declare it on your taxes?

Is this expected to be a long term job change or did you get burned out at the last job and feel like doing this for a few months?

I have a bunch more but I’ll space them out.


My goal is $1,500/week. If I can make that I'm fine and can keep up with expenses and get ahead even. Anything beyond that is cake. The amount of hours I play will be a lot less than the 70+ I put in at my previous job. It's important to me to maintain a work-life balance. I'm trying to eat healthier, I still need to plug in some workout regimen but haven't gotten there yet. But I try to take at least two days off per week, sometimes three, to ensure I have time to unwind, spend time with the wife and cats and take care of life things.

I do have an app on my phone that I track ALL of my results with so I can be honest with myself and ensure that I am a winning player. I usually play a Monday 1/2/5 PLO game, a Wednesday/Friday/Saturday 30/60 mixed game and then also sprinkle in 2/5/10 PLO on Wed/Fri/Sat and if I happen to play either Tues/Thurs/Sun.

At the moment this is expected to be a long-term thing. I love the freedom it's given me, and the money. Plus I do love to play poker. I do have an interest in becoming a voice-over actor, as I have a great voice for commercials, can do various cartoon voices, telephone prompt systems, etc. but that's something I'd need to investigate and devote time and money to that right now I can't because I need to focus on winning at poker.

I also have fallbacks as far as going back into the workforce if needed, and can also build computers so that's another fallback or side income possible.

Are you dual income, then? If not, what percentage of your winnings go to maintaining your household?

How many hours a week are you playing?

I am the sole breadwinner. My monthly nut is around 5K, I have been able to exceed that comfortably. Some weeks I play under 40 hours, some weeks over. Generally between 30-40


How many buy ins is your bankroll? Are you looking for backers?


Are you straight cash now, or do you still dabble in tournaments?

I play strictly cash for my income. I've found it's the most reliable, consistent source of income. Tournaments are fun and all, but they are a true grind. You have to weather losing a LOT, to hit one big score to carry you through the next round of losses. With cash games I'm winning 2/3rd of my sessions, so it's mentally a lot less stressful.

I do still enjoy tournaments, but none of the local events really appeal to me. They're all unlimited rebuys for like 11 fucking levels and you have to compete with guys throwing stupid money at them, and then you're stuck there playing for 8-10+ hours. In a cash game, I could win the money I'm happy with in 2-3 hours and then leave and enjoy life outside of work. Or I could just not feel like playing a full 8 hours, or the game isn't great, etc. and I can just up and leave. In a tournament you're locked in.

I won't get into specifics on my roll, but will say that I did have 6 months living expenses socked aside AND a separate bankroll appropriate for the games I'm playing outside of that, such that I was comfortable with the risk of ruin.
 
Do you needle those at the table with constant USA USA USA chants?

Lol, I wish. I did have one of the pros in the game tell me that I have great table presence (i.e. I'm fun to play with, and make the game enjoyable, so that makes it better for the fish and whales who come to donate)
 
I am the sole breadwinner. My monthly nut is around 5K,
Therein lies the rub. If you're making $1500/week, or $6k/month, but you're taking out $5k/month, your bankroll doesn't grow.

Very glad to hear that you saved 6 months expenses and a sufficient bankroll before turning in your notice.

Best of luck, my man.
 
Are you looking for backers?

Forgot to answer this part of your question. No, I play cash games not tournaments and prefer to keep all of my own winnings. If I was to play a big buyin tournament like the WSOP Main Event I'd be willing to sell some action.

But my WSOP plans for this summer are probably playing two of these four events and I was planning to play those on my own dime and keep whatever I win

$1500 Monster Stack Freezeout
$1000 Mini Main Freezeout
$500 Big 50 Re-Entry
$400 Colossus Re-Entry

But will depend on the dates.

How old are you and how many people are you supporting right now?

I'm a married 42 year old and I support a wife and three cats.
 
Therein lies the rub. If you're making $1500/week, or $6k/month, but you're taking out $5k/month, your bankroll doesn't grow.

Very glad to hear that you saved 6 months expenses and a sufficient bankroll before turning in your notice.

Best of luck, my man.

5K x 12 months = 60K

1500/week x 52 weeks = 78K


Ideally I will make more than 1500/week on average. My main goal will be to maintain my bankroll and pay down expenses. There are a number of expenses I have that will disappear in the next couple of years via regular payments. But hopefully will be able to dedicate some additional money to them via winnings to pay them off sooner.

Once those are paid off my monthly nut will be much lower. As a for instance, my mortgage is under $800/month.
 
Have you considered the tax implications of going pro?

Regular taxes plus the additional self employment taxes are a bear when you are dealing with variable winnings.

Also, what are your health insurance plans moving forward?
 
Have you considered the tax implications of going pro?

Regular taxes plus the additional self employment taxes are a bear when you are dealing with variable winnings.

Also, what are your health insurance plans moving forward?

I have a friend who plays poker that is a CPA and I'm in good hands.

As far as health insurance, I've rarely had it most of my life, as most of my jobs were family-run businesses that couldn't afford it. As I age obviously that will become more of a concern.

But as stated previously, within the next two years or less I will have a number of monthly expenses that go away, decreasing my monthly nut significantly. Adding health insurance will be an affordable expense at that juncture.
 
Hey man, I think that's awesome. Any job sucks TBH, so my opinion is to go with the most +EV option. If that happened to be poker I'd be pretty happy. You've got a backup plan and a nut saved up so better off than most.

Any plans for a vlog or something? Might lead to some gigs with that voice over talent! Also do you think PLO is too high variance to rely on or is competition soft enough?
 
I have a friend who plays poker that is a CPA and I'm in good hands.

As far as health insurance, I've rarely had it most of my life, as most of my jobs were family-run businesses that couldn't afford it. As I age obviously that will become more of a concern.

But as stated previously, within the next two years or less I will have a number of monthly expenses that go away, decreasing my monthly nut significantly. Adding health insurance will be an affordable expense at that juncture.


That's good to hear on the CPA bit. I just had a conversation with some CPAs last week about filing as a pro this year despite holding down a full time job. I am still trying to decide the path I want to go down as it might help for some purchases/investment stuff next year. In doing so
I would have to take on a larger tax burden. Big surprise to me how much the difference would be.

Beyond that, I would strongly recommend finding even basic catastrophic insurance or you risk ruining your entire bankroll/life roll in one moment.

Regardless, wishing you the best. It's a tough way to make a living.

How far away is the casino? What's the rake structure?

How big is the player pool for PLO and the mixed games?
 
If your bankroll is currently at 100%, how low would it have to go to:

1) make you concerned about meeting future expenses
2) make you make a transition
 

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