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Anyone think he did this on purpose to get a reaction? Does Obama eat crow on this one?

"Homemade clock"

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I don't care if he was a white kid from New Hampshire. Either he was 'excited to show his teachers what he had built' or he did it on purpose because he knew what the reaction would be. Clearly to me he didn't build a thing. All the 'technology' types, google, facebook, Microsoft et al seem to have been shown to be idiots. Obama, desperate to jump in on the same bandwagon, as well.

Do you think he built something or do you think he was purposely trying to elicit a reaction?
 
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I have no strong opinion on your question because of something I have personally experienced.

I went to journalism school and worked for a newspaper for five years. This taught me that journalists generally see the world a certain way. They write stories that support that world view.

When the story challenges or directly conflicts with that world view, the editors change it. They "edit" facts out of the story, so you never really get the whole truth. You get the part that illustrates their view of society, the police, authority in general, etc.

At the start of this story, someone decided that it was going to be a story that said, "Innocent school kid builds simple clock for a science project and gets pounced on by insane authorities simply because of his religion." Any facts that didn't line up with that headline got cut.

I think there is more to this. The media has just left out those facts which would make the reaction of the school officials and the police seem more reasonable to all of us -- the things that would make us each say, "Well, if I knew that, I might react the same way they did."

Perhaps the school did overreact. Maybe each of us, in their shoes, would have called the police.

Without all the facts, it is difficult to say, either way.

What I do know is that we don't have all the facts, and won't be getting them anytime soon.
 
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At 14, if the kid could just get the soldering done right - that alone would be a good job. IE. if he took a clock apart and just soldered back together properly would be a good job. If he figured out what parts to buy and built a clock that would be even better. That might sound trivial but is it not (though it isn't rocket science) Good job kid!

I can fully appreciate that a school teacher would look at the item and wonder what it was. It isn't likely the teacher has any training in bomb detection beyond what he/she has gotten watching TV or movies. When in doubt, err on the safe side. Call the bomb squad. Good job teacher!

One must wonder why the school didn't take preventive measures with a potential bomb in the house. Remember? When in doubt err on the safe side. The cynic in me starts to have doubts about the school's side of the story here. Bad job school administrators - if that had been a bomb . . . . .

Police come and almost instantly know this isn't a bomb. OK, so maybe they were so fast that the school knew it was safe in moments. There is often an officer assigned to a school. So perhaps the school leaders knew so fast they didn't need to react. Good job police (so far)

The decision to arrest the kid is shocking to me. Getting arrested is a life altering moment. It renders you unfit for many jobs. You have trouble getting other jobs. All because employers use arrest records as the screen for "criminal". Many folks are under a mistaken assumption that not being charged or found innocent gets your name cleared. Not true - you'll never get your foot in many doors just due to the arrest.

I have worked with more kids that age than almost any of you who aren't school teachers. 14 year old boys are not adults and do weird things, say weird things and act that way too. Confronted with an unhappy interaction with the police - - - well there is no telling how a kid will react. My best guess would be the kid sits there unresponsive and uncooperative, but who can say. I doubt many would be able to pull off an imitation of Ferris Bueller.

So the police decision to hand cuff and arrest the kid seems to me to be an inappropriate over reaction. There is plenty of time to build a case as we already know that the kid wasn't building a bomb and he isn't likely to flee. I know the "arrest first, ask questions later approach" has become a relatively normal practice in many schools - it isn't unheard of to be arrested for being tardy. Bad job police.

Somehow letting a picture of the kid in cuffs get loose on social media is a little surprising. Perhaps they misjudged how the optics were going to play out in public - locally they might find support but as the story grows to national things might get less favorable. Bad job police / bad job school.

I agree we are missing a lot of data. But almost all of that is in the hands of the school and police, even things that would give un insight into the kids intentions. (EG what types of stuff is he building in the engineering class? Has he brought other projects to school previously? Was this clock linked to a class assignment?) No doubt everyone has a new found respect for the privacy of the kid and can't comment. But even missing all of that, I don't have too much trouble saying the final results were a mistake and that some people will see evidence of bad faith on one side or the other but absent more data we can't conclude bad faith. However I question the professional skills of the police and perhaps that of some of the school administrators.

DrStrange

PS you can also get a White House invitation AND a private meeting with the president by wrestling the gun away from a guy on a train.
 
A tidbit I just found to show the school might not have been selectively harsh, though the story did note that minorities were more likely to be expelled than white students.

"Irving, Texas, ninth-grader Ahmed Mohamed made headlines this week after he was falsely accused of a bomb hoax after he brought a homemade clock to school. The incident occurred in one of Texas’s most punitive school districts — in the 2013-14 school year, the Irving ISD expelled more students than all but five other districts (out of more than 1,000) according to state data" Texas Observer via fivethirtyeight.com

DrStrange
 
At 14, if the kid could just get the soldering done right - that alone would be a good job. IE. if he took a clock apart and just soldered back together properly would be a good job. If he figured out what parts to buy and built a clock that would be even better. That might sound trivial but is it not (though it isn't rocket science) Good job kid!

I pretty much agree with everything you said, except this.

Years before age 14, my friends and I were disassembling tube radios and military surplus electronics and building both receivers and transmitters. Plus clocks, using Nixie tubes. From kits (many LED clock kits are still available) and from scratch. And our clocks looked a hell of a lot better than this kid's work. :rolleyes: Several of us got our ham radio and even commercial radiotelephone licenses at age 13. I've seen many 8-year-olds who knew how to wire and produce good solder joints.

There's nothing at all unusual about what he did, particularly since his is supposedly a more advanced curriculum, whatever that means in Texas.

As to the whole bomb thing, when have you ever seen a homemade bomb that plugged into an AC line? Never, that's when.

-- Larry
 
Given the trouble I had with employees trying to assemble & soldering parts, I guess I impress easier than other folks. I would have hired any high school kid who could assemble components properly. We found one girl {Junior and Senior year} who could do the work, but she was so good on the operations side that she rarely built stuff. But she was roughly one out of twenty "tech track" students who tried to come to work for me. The rest could not do the shop work, but several did go into field work once they hit 18.

Of course this is the middle of no where Texas and mostly all our kids know is football -=- DrStrange
 
FWIW, I was scratch-building (and soldering) slot car parts in grade school, back in the mid-Sixties. Rewound my own motors, too.
 
I would've looked it over, realized there was nothing but circuitry and a plug, and plugged it in. If the red display looked like a clock, nice job kid. If it didn't, call the police. What's so fucking hard about that? Is Texas so technologically ass backwards that they can't plug the goddamn thing in and realize it's a clock when the numbers appear on the screen?

Also, what kind of moron would think that someone built a bomb that requires an AC adapter and plug? "I was going to blow up this bus, but damnit, there aren't any AC outlets in the seats". WTF kind of thinking is that?!?
 
Keeping in mind that there are school teachers in Texas making less than WalMart cashiers with comparable experience . . . just why do we expect them to be capable of thinking like that Berg? I agree that your approach is simple, sound and effective. But you reach your conclusions based on an solid understanding of science, and expecting the typical Texas school teacher to be able to do that is unreasonable.

We here in Texas get what we pay for. The state is near the bottom on per student investment and student performance. But we have low taxes and lots & lots of low wage jobs openings - in that the state might be number one!

Thank God for Mississippi -=- DrStrange
 
The kid seems to be doing pretty well off the back of all this. I think most teenagers are media conscious enough to know there could be some kind of backlash if anything happened to him. But to think he could have predicted the reactions of his teacher, school administrators, the police officers involved, and the huge way it blew up on social media AND how he's getting $paid$ is pretty cynical. The way everyone in a position of authority handled this from what I've read was atrocious. Take the police out of the scenario (another result is he could have been suspended/expelled) and it's less so. But come on.

What I find the most cynical is the piggybacking off the furor by Obama, Hillary, etc.
 
The Irving school district acknowledged in a statement Wednesday that the information released about the incident was “unbalanced,” but officials said they could not comment further because of student privacy laws.

Texas law, which is why I believe the police were called and he was arrested:

Sec. 46.08. HOAX BOMBS.

(a) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly manufactures, sells, purchases, transports, or possesses a hoax bomb with intent to use the hoax bomb to:

(1) make another believe that the hoax bomb is an explosive or incendiary device; or

(2) cause alarm or reaction of any type by an official of a public safety agency or volunteer agency organized to deal with emergencies.

I still say the kid didn't make anything. If he didn't make anything what was his purpose in taking apart an alarm clock and putting it into his metal pencil case and then bringing it to school, with an alarm set to go off during class?
 
I still say the kid didn't make anything. If he didn't make anything what was his purpose in taking apart an alarm clock and putting it into his metal pencil case and then bringing it to school, with an alarm set to go off during class?

And here I thought you Canadians were supposed to be the sane ones.

-- Larry
 
Everyone should make a video of their own cool genius invention. "Calculator in a Pencil Box," "iPhone in a Pencil Box," "Paper Clip in a Pencil Box." We could trend #InviteMeToTheWhiteHouseToo

Look at it as a simple way to encourage interest in science among today's kids. Dog knows the country can use anything that slows down the rate at which we're falling behind the rest of the civilized world in technology and mathematics. Oh, and general intelligence.
 
PS you can also get a White House invitation AND a private meeting with the president by wrestling the gun away from a guy on a train.

I think most would consider this worthy of a white house invitation......not cracking the plastic case off of a thirty year old clock and screwing to your pencil box.

next thing you know wiping your ass will qualify you



no matter how you think it was handled, personally I think you can consider Karma to get your ass busted for "cheating" on a "brownie point" project.

how do you know the detonator wasn't
 
http://dfwci.com/blog4/ahmeds-clock-analyzed/

"Ahmed inventednothing. This is very simply a commercially available clock or timer with a very large display. It was unceremoniously ripped from its plastic housing and slapped into a pencil box. No attempt was made to make the innards even look finished. It is a repurposed clock. It is not even cleverly repurposed, as it would have been had it been disassembled and installed in a lucite box, for instance, with all the inner workings visible. That, at least would have been artistic and semi-educational. This is none of these things."
 
Do any of you guys stop to wonder why you're so obsessed with proving that some 14 year old kid didn't invent a clock?
 

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