Tourney How much do you guys tip dealers after tournaments? (1 Viewer)

[upNdown]

I always find this a bit frustrating. It's easy to toss a dealer a buck or two after you win a hand at at $1/$2 table, but it's tough to know how much to toss them after a tournament cash, just because it seems like a big chunk of money, especially if you give them a certain percent of a big cash.
So, how much? Straight percent? Is there a maximum to that?

 

[manamongkids]

NH charity rooms with 25% rake. If I won 500 on a $50 tourney, Id probably tip $20.

If I won $500 on a $50 tourney with standard 10% rake. Id probably tip $40

 

[WedgeRock]

Luckily, my level of play makes this a non-concern for me...

 

[BGinGA]

8% to 10% for a big tourney cash is reasonable.

 

[upNdown]

Interesting. I hadn't considered the rake difference between the NH rooms and Foxwoods or Mohegan Sun.

 

[12thMan]

I've always tipped 10%. I try to be a generous tipper in life, and 10% sounds cheap, but I think it's perfectly reasonable and leaning generous as far as a poker room in a casino goes.

The room I play at has a "dealer appreciation" add on option the majority of nights, basically pay $10 more that goes directly to dealers for X amount more chips in your starting stack. I've always wondered if that affects tips at the end of the tourney. It doesn't for me, but I can see how somebody would say that since there is already a pool for the dealers they don't "need" to tip. Seems reasonable.

 

[BGinGA]

^^ That is exactly how our dedicated-dealer tournaments are structured -- the 'dealer appreciation' options go directly into the dealer pool (from which dealers are paid $15/hr), and optional tips from the winners are paid to the dealers on a pro-rated time basis (if one dealer worked 2 hrs and another worked 4 hrs, $30 in tips would be split $10/$20 between them). Any extra cash in the dealer pool carries over to the next tournament, and is ultimately used at the end of the year to pay the dealer for the free-roll Championship Tournament.

Most of the players tip around 10% for 1st and 2nd place finishes..... especially those players who have been around long enough to remember the no-dedicated-dealer days of old. New players coming from other pass-the-deal environments seem to have a harder time with the concept.

 

[moose]

I top up to 10%, less if there is a dealer add-on or if there is a % deducted from the pool for the dealer's.

 

[PhilLaFond]

On the rare occasion that I manage to cash, I usually go around 8%; I factor in whether there's been a fee attached for "staff" or an optional add-on amount at the start of the event that is dedicated to the dealers (i.e. $10 for another 5K in tourney chips).

 

[Poker Zombie]

Because so many casino tournaments end in a chop, when a chop is discussed I always suggest a cut for the dealers. At this point someone would have to be a supreme dick to sit in front of a dealer and argue against their tip.

 

[upNdown]

Because so many casino tournaments end in a chop, when a chop is discussed I always suggest a cut for the dealers. At this point someone would have to be a supreme dick to sit in front of a dealer and argue against their tip.

Yes, I've seen that too. So how much do you suggest? 5%? 10%? 15%?

 

[upNdown]

NH charity rooms with 25% rake.

I guess I've been a little ignorant to how much of this money is disappearing. On the Poker Atlas website, for a Hamptdon Falls $90 tournament, they say that $18 goes to the admin fee (of which 35% goes to charity, so that's nice.) I guess I kind of figured that the rest went into the prize pool. Not so.
The one I played saturday had 107 runners x $90 = $9630.
Subtract 90 x $18 = $7704
But now that I'm thinking back, including the money we paid to the button, I recall the prize pool to be exactly $6875. So there's another $829 that disapeared after the admin fee - what's that? Is that technically the rake?
Wherever it goes, about 28.5% of the entry money disappears. Any idea what that number is at foxwoods? Because according to poker atlas, they're taking around 18% admin fee, but I have no idea how much more they take.

 

[manamongkids]

I guess I've been a little ignorant to how much of this money is disappearing. On the Poker Atlas website, for a Hamptdon Falls $90 tournament, they say that $18 goes to the admin fee (of which 35% goes to charity, so that's nice.) I guess I kind of figured that the rest went into the prize pool. Not so.
The one I played saturday had 107 runners x $90 = $9630.
Subtract 90 x $18 = $7704
But now that I'm thinking back, including the money we paid to the button, I recall the prize pool to be exactly $6875. So there's another $829 that disapeared after the admin fee - what's that? Is that technically the rake?
Wherever it goes, about 28.5% of the entry money disappears. Any idea what that number is at foxwoods? Because according to poker atlas, they're taking around 18% admin fee, but I have no idea how much more they take.

math is easy for the NH charity rooms. i think the actual rake/fee is around 23% of lost prizepool.


here is an example of an upcoming Foxwoods tourney with 17% rake/admin fees/ $65 is 17% of 365

 

[manamongkids]

As you go up to higher buyin events, the average is probably around 10% rake. The Foxwoods $1500 NLHE event is $1650 with $150 being in admin fees

 

[Poker Zombie]

Yes, I've seen that too. So how much do you suggest? 5%? 10%? 15%?

I usually aim for a dollar amount that makes payouts to players "easier", but avoid mentioning an amount.

Taking a recent Venetian Daily event prize pool, $10,728 was payed to the top 6. Assuming equal stacks this would be $1788 each. I would suggest $1600 or $1700 per player and "the rest to the dealers", depending on how fun/entertaining/efficient the dealers were. The net result is a $528 or a $1128 tip, but many other players won't notice the big tip, because they all hear is "I'm getting $1700".

Note that I know I will likely never meet these dealers again. If I were a "regular" I would be incentivized to tip higher. Tips are a little like bribes in my book. Tip well and they treat you better. My Valets usually get tipped well when I pull in, because I know I will see them again. A one and done dealer, I am getting less future value.

 

[manamongkids]

I'm also only tipping if the dealers are efficient and moving the game along. the NH charity rooms have a major dealer problem, theyre slow, unattentive, show extreme favoritism towards regs, they watch the tvs more than the players. - a lot of the NH charity room dealers are overly comfortable and create a bad environment to play in

 

[kk405]

5%, regardless of the size of my score. Same goes with BBJ.

 

[upNdown]

I'm also only tipping if the dealers are efficient and moving the game along. the NH charity rooms have a major dealer problem, theyre slow, unattentive, show extreme favoritism towards regs, they watch the tvs more than the players. - a lot of the NH charity room dealers are overly comfortable and create a bad environment to play in

There's one old guy at Seabrook who's on oxygen - I'm sure you know him - he's as slow as possible. A month ago, it was down to two tables, blinds increasing exponentially, very close to the bubble and my stack had been dwindling. They sent this guy to our table and I'm psyched. I just needed to survive to make the final table, and with him dealing, at best, 2 hands to the other table's 3, I made it.
So, sometimes inefficient is good.

 

[CraigT78]

I'm also only tipping if the dealers are efficient and moving the game along. the NH charity rooms have a major dealer problem, theyre slow, unattentive, show extreme favoritism towards regs, they watch the tvs more than the players. - a lot of the NH charity room dealers are overly comfortable and create a bad environment to play in

What are NH charity rooms? Is this how NH gets away with having poker rooms?

 

[manamongkids]

What are NH charity rooms? Is this how NH gets away with having poker rooms?

poker rooms that under the guise of charity rooms, where the high rake is split by the poker room and a local charity

 

[CraigT78]

poker rooms that under the guise of charity rooms, where the high rake is split by the poker room and a local charity

And that makes it legal? Interesting. Are there state guidelines on how much must go to charity vs what they can keep?

 

[manamongkids]

http://www.unionleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20140209/NEWS06/140209197&template=mobileart

I think on a week to week basis, each charity poker room works with a different local charity to give their profits.