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How many chances should a scammer get? (2 Viewers)
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JustDogbert
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I voted “other” so I will explain what I mean by it.
Since it’s Jim’s sale, it’s up to him to determine how to handle it. He has ruled that if he finds anyone doing it going forward, they will be banned.
I think that is great way to handle it. He apparently wasn’t aware of the practice until recently, so it wasn’t specifically listed as “against the rules”. Therefore, anyone engaging in that activity can argue they didn’t know that was taboo. I suspect that it will be clearly listed as a rule on future sales.
Also, I’m a little surprised that anyone could place multiple orders of chips (working alone) by the time things sold out. I do suspect the issue was around used $2s (and maybe snappers, I don’t know how long they took to sell out).
And before I hear any conspiracies about me being among the bad actors, I purchased exactly 1070 chips, 70 of which were after the first hour. If you don’t believe me, I don’t care; Jim, myself, and the receipts know the facts.
Also, if I decide to “flip” any of those chips (once USPS finds and delivers them) that will be entirely my perogative. I can state, for a fact, no one here (other than Jim) has ever sold me a chip at, or below, TCR prices.
Since it’s Jim’s sale, it’s up to him to determine how to handle it. He has ruled that if he finds anyone doing it going forward, they will be banned.
I think that is great way to handle it. He apparently wasn’t aware of the practice until recently, so it wasn’t specifically listed as “against the rules”. Therefore, anyone engaging in that activity can argue they didn’t know that was taboo. I suspect that it will be clearly listed as a rule on future sales.
Also, I’m a little surprised that anyone could place multiple orders of chips (working alone) by the time things sold out. I do suspect the issue was around used $2s (and maybe snappers, I don’t know how long they took to sell out).
And before I hear any conspiracies about me being among the bad actors, I purchased exactly 1070 chips, 70 of which were after the first hour. If you don’t believe me, I don’t care; Jim, myself, and the receipts know the facts.
Also, if I decide to “flip” any of those chips (once USPS finds and delivers them) that will be entirely my perogative. I can state, for a fact, no one here (other than Jim) has ever sold me a chip at, or below, TCR prices.
Sorry but that is just wrong (don't take this personal).
If you took the time to contact Jim @TheChipRoom with something else then...'hey can I buy this or that'...then you would quickly notice that he is a genuine member & vendor but like many (these days) prefers to fly under the radar.
And you want to talk active ?
@dennis63 is one of the (if not the) most active vendors on this forum...and he is rewarded with contests & thread that get 8 posts average and almost no pr0n.
Some people always want vendors to be active when we are talking deals, special pricing, sales, golden tickets,...the works...but when there is no 'what's in it for me' they don't bother to post.
When quantities are tight of desirable denoms, every order makes it less likely that others don’t get what they want. Several extra max orders make it even less likely.
There are obvious reasons why Jim has these rules; funny that some don’t mind them being circumvented, considering the respect 99% of the community has for his services.
Jim is a member of this community, and his casino chip sales are highly integrated into this site... GPI/Paulson is a big corporation. When they start offering specials sales to home chippers directly via this site, let me know.
Go ahead and correct me if I’m wrong, please. I know he’s been in this community a hell of a lot longer than me. And I’ve had nothing but positive experience dealing with him as a vendor - 100%. I’m just saying what I see, and all I see him doing is selling. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Are individuals whose primary activity is in the Classifieds not members of the community, either?
Decide for yourself I guess. I’m just asking questions and saying what I’ve seen.
Geremie
Full House
I’m offended that there was no mention of goals and baskets as well as any defence.
nezara
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A good public shaming and corresponding "chip karma" seems appropriate
We 've struggled around here 200 years ago to get rid of cruel punishment like this
IMHO, it should only be used nowadays for very specific offenses, like slow driving on the left lane
For bending rules in order to flip over goods as a profiteer, all is needed is NAMING THE ASSHOLES by the person in charge of the sale.
IMHO, it should only be used nowadays for very specific offenses, like slow driving on the left lane
For bending rules in order to flip over goods as a profiteer, all is needed is NAMING THE ASSHOLES by the person in charge of the sale.
I have no skin in the game but these are my thoughts.
The ultimate rules come from the seller. If he feels someone took advantage of the rules, he can ban them from ever selling to them again.
If the rules involved 1 order per household with quantity limits, and someone had multiple addresses, this is a loophole, not a scam.
I see this like limit 1 per customer for limited bottles of alcohol, and sending your spouse, mother, father, etc. to pick up a bottle for you, too.
The ultimate rules come from the seller. If he feels someone took advantage of the rules, he can ban them from ever selling to them again.
If the rules involved 1 order per household with quantity limits, and someone had multiple addresses, this is a loophole, not a scam.
I see this like limit 1 per customer for limited bottles of alcohol, and sending your spouse, mother, father, etc. to pick up a bottle for you, too.
RainmanTrail
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That's not scamming.
HaRDHouSeiNC
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Like this is even anything new
Save me the mass shock
Every sale large groups team up to hit the sale the opening second obviously so a few can get more then the limit of the scarce obvious major in demand stuff and a better chance of multiple orders going through
and if you have a few people on VPNs with some throwaway PayPal accounts you could cause mass chaos in the sale by intentionally draining the store the first 10 seconds of those more scarce chips
Multiple orders get cancelled at rando times
Now all the scarce chips have to be returned to stock hours later
If a few people wanted to really cause even more chaos it would actually be kinda easy
Save me the mass shock
Every sale large groups team up to hit the sale the opening second obviously so a few can get more then the limit of the scarce obvious major in demand stuff and a better chance of multiple orders going through
and if you have a few people on VPNs with some throwaway PayPal accounts you could cause mass chaos in the sale by intentionally draining the store the first 10 seconds of those more scarce chips
Multiple orders get cancelled at rando times
Now all the scarce chips have to be returned to stock hours later
If a few people wanted to really cause even more chaos it would actually be kinda easy
HaRDHouSeiNC
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I'm offended by the way you spell defense!
RichMahogany
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You sure this is the route you want to go? If so, I can start a new thread to “shame” someone who cancelled a deal after chips were bought and paid for.
Saying Jim is not part of the community is incorrect. He lives way out in Utah now but when here was here in Michigan he would host and play in local games. Several of my friends and at least one other member here has played poker with him. He also opened up his warehouse here years ago when I organized a field trip and poker game one weeknight. He let us wander around unsupervised and take all the pics and buy all the chips we wanted that night. He is a very cool dude. This was around the time of the Grand Victoria buy and there were wooden crates of chips all over. It was a beautiful thing, and he is a pretty cool community member.
“Your Honor, I know the law says we’re not supposed to steal. But that liquor store had its champagne cabinet unlocked and there was no one looking when I put three bottles in my overcoat. The store had a loophole!”
That analogy would only work if these multiple addresses stole the chips.
By breaking Jim’s rules, they are stealing an opportunity from those who follow them. It’s especially bad given that there were very small quantities of the best chips, and probably made the PayPal situation worse.
Just guessing here, as I have no direct knowledge as to why Jim put these limits on his sales, but...
Setting limits would prevent a very small number of people from buying all the available chips and flipping them for much higher profits. As we saw with some boat chips, this causes much anguish, bad blood and hurt feelings here on the forum, and the chips involved become synonymous with all that negativity.
Setting some limits also ensures that buyers will more likely buy and use playable sets, rather than buy the rare chips and sit on them to inflate their price before flipping. In a way, the vendor is saying, "I want this puppy to go to a good home."
Setting limits would prevent a very small number of people from buying all the available chips and flipping them for much higher profits. As we saw with some boat chips, this causes much anguish, bad blood and hurt feelings here on the forum, and the chips involved become synonymous with all that negativity.
Setting some limits also ensures that buyers will more likely buy and use playable sets, rather than buy the rare chips and sit on them to inflate their price before flipping. In a way, the vendor is saying, "I want this puppy to go to a good home."
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Could setting the same type of limits just on the rare/high demand chips while also pricing them close/at market rates (we all knew new snappers would be going for +2x sale prices at least) accomplish the same goal while also no longer requiring people to buy a large quantity of chips they don’t have a use for? Like you said we don’t know for sure why he chose this format but it seems like there’s alternatives that would create less hurdles for your avg/true buyer if it’s just to make sure certain chips end up with people who need them.
It could. But then who would buy all those extra ones and twenty-fives?
ekricket
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