Home Game Razz Tournament (1 Viewer)

[Pinball]

How long do you think this game will last:

Players: 6
Chips: 4000
Levels: 15 min

25/25/100/200

25/50/150/300

50/50/200/400

50/50/300/600

100/100/400/800

100/200/500/1000

100/200/600/1200

200/200/800/1600

200/300/1000/2000

300/300/1200/2400

300/500/1500/3000

500/500/2000/4000

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[manamongkids]

At least until the next morning when the players wake up after falling asleep at the table

 

[pltrgyst]

Six-handed, that short stacked: with decent players who don't crawl into their shells, 30-60 minutes.

 

[BGinGA]

With only 20 big bets per stack, it will run about an hour and a half, certainly no longer than 2 hours. I'd advise either making the starting stacks larger, or starting with smaller betting sizes.

Using 10K starting stacks (50BB) would create an event with a lot more play possibilities, and still finish in around 2-1/2 hours.

Below is a tournament schedule we use for several stud games (Razz, Stud, Stud Hi/Lo, HORSE). The bring-in amount is the same as the ante size. With 10K stacks (67BB), 15-minute levels, and six players, it will usually run a little over 3 hours, or about 2.5 hours for 5K stacks (33BB):

rd sb bb ante
L1 75 150 25
L2 100 200 25
L3 125 250 50
L4 150 300 50
L5 200 400 75
L6 250 500 75
remove T25 chips
L7 300 600 100
L8 400 800 100
L9 500 1000 200
L10 600 1200 200
break
L11 800 1600 300
L12 1000 2000 300
L13 1200 2400 400
L14 1600 3200 400
remove T100 chips
L15 2000 4000 500
L16 2500 5000 1000
L17 3000 6000 1000
L18 4000 8000 1500

 

[snooptodd]

I disagree with the consensus here. I think it will take 2+ hours, because most hands won't even get to the big bet level, especially once it's down to 2-3 players. With 24k chips in play, I can see this easily reaching level 9, maybe even 10 or 11.

 

[BGinGA]

Six-handed, that short stacked: with decent players who don't crawl into their shells, 30-60 minutes.

lol, you guys must be playing no-limit razzzzzzzzz

Most of the folks in my group are a bunch of fixed-limit nits. An aggressive style cleans up at the limit games.

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I disagree with the consensus here. I think it will take 2+ hours, because most hands won't even get to the big bet level, especially once it's down to 2-3 players. With 24k chips in play, I can see this easily reaching level 9, maybe even 10 or 11.

In the OP's structure, there are only 10 total big bets in play at L10. In my experience running limit tournaments, there is no way that it goes that long. And as stated, my guys are limit nits.

 

[Bloody Marvelous]

I'd say it's probably over when one guy has all the chips...

 

[snooptodd]

In the OP's structure, there are only 10 total big bets in play at L10. In my experience running limit tournaments, there is no way that it goes that long. And as stated, my guys are limit nits.

Math is hard. I was thinking 10 BB per player ... I think it will go to level 7, and maybe even level 8. Depends on a few factors, including how many decks are being used. One or two big hand confrontations will tip the balance, but with just 15 minute levels, you might go a level or two without that happening.

 

[EZMONEYRMJ]

My group is doing a Limit Razz tournament in a week and here is the setup I have created. All of our Saturday night tourneys are deep stack tourneys. Most are Holdem No Limit tourneys but every now and then we switch it up. This will be our first time with Razz hence the structure so that everyone can get a feel of playing it before it gets serious. Approximately 24 players.

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[TD="colspan: 5"]Starting Stack: 100,000[/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 5"]Blind Structure - All Levels are 20 Minutes[/TD]
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[TD]Level[/TD]
[TD]Ante[/TD]
[TD]High Card[/TD]
[TD]Completion[/TD]
[TD]Limits[/TD]
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[TD]Level 1[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]100[/TD]
[TD]100[/TD]
[TD]100-200[/TD]
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[TD]Level 2[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]100[/TD]
[TD]200[/TD]
[TD]200-400[/TD]
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[TD]Level 3[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]100[/TD]
[TD]300[/TD]
[TD]300-600[/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 5"]Break - Dinner - No Chip Up[/TD]
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[TD]Level 4[/TD]
[TD]100[/TD]
[TD]200[/TD]
[TD]500[/TD]
[TD]500-1000[/TD]
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[TD]Level 5[/TD]
[TD]100[/TD]
[TD]200[/TD]
[TD]1000[/TD]
[TD]1000-2000[/TD]
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[TD]Level 6[/TD]
[TD]300[/TD]
[TD]300[/TD]
[TD]1500[/TD]
[TD]1500-3000[/TD]
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[TD]Level 7[/TD]
[TD]500[/TD]
[TD]500[/TD]
[TD]2000[/TD]
[TD]2000-4000[/TD]
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[TD]Level 8[/TD]
[TD]500[/TD]
[TD]500[/TD]
[TD]2500[/TD]
[TD]2500-5000[/TD]
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[TD]Level 9[/TD]
[TD]500[/TD]
[TD]500[/TD]
[TD]3000[/TD]
[TD]3000-6000[/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 5"]Break - Chip Up All 100 & 500[/TD]
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[TD]Level 10[/TD]
[TD]1000[/TD]
[TD]1000[/TD]
[TD]4000[/TD]
[TD]4000-8000[/TD]
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[TD]Level 11[/TD]
[TD]1000[/TD]
[TD]1000[/TD]
[TD]5000[/TD]
[TD]5000-10000[/TD]
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[TD]Level 12[/TD]
[TD]1000[/TD]
[TD]1000[/TD]
[TD]6000[/TD]
[TD]6000-12000[/TD]
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[TD]Level 13[/TD]
[TD]2000[/TD]
[TD]2000[/TD]
[TD]8000[/TD]
[TD]8000-16000[/TD]
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[TD]Level 14[/TD]
[TD]2000[/TD]
[TD]2000[/TD]
[TD]10K[/TD]
[TD]10K-20K[/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 5"]Break - 5 Minutes[/TD]
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[TD]Level 15[/TD]
[TD]3000[/TD]
[TD]3000[/TD]
[TD]12K[/TD]
[TD]12K-24K[/TD]
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[TD]Level 16[/TD]
[TD]3000[/TD]
[TD]3000[/TD]
[TD]15K[/TD]
[TD]15K-30K[/TD]
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[TD]Level 17[/TD]
[TD]3000[/TD]
[TD]3000[/TD]
[TD]20K[/TD]
[TD]20K-40K[/TD]
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[TD]Level 18[/TD]
[TD]5000[/TD]
[TD]5000[/TD]
[TD]25K[/TD]
[TD]25K-50K[/TD]
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[TD]Level 19[/TD]
[TD]5000[/TD]
[TD]5000[/TD]
[TD]30K[/TD]
[TD]30K-60K[/TD]
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[TD]Level 20[/TD]
[TD]5000[/TD]
[TD]5000[/TD]
[TD]35K[/TD]
[TD]35K-70K[/TD]
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[TD]Level 21[/TD]
[TD]5000[/TD]
[TD]5000[/TD]
[TD]40K[/TD]
[TD]40K-80K[/TD]
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[TD]Level 22[/TD]
[TD]10K[/TD]
[TD]10K[/TD]
[TD]50K[/TD]
[TD]50K-100K[/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 5"]TIMING[/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 4"]First Break (Dinner) after 1 Hour of Play[/TD]
[TD]1 Hr[/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 4"]Dinner Break = 30 Minutes[/TD]
[TD]1 Hr 30 Min[/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 4"]2nd Break - Chip Up After 2 Hrs of Play + 10 Min Break[/TD]
[TD]3 Hr 40 Min[/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 4"]3rd Break - 5 Min Break after 1 Hr 40 Min of Play[/TD]
[TD]5 Hr 25 Min[/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 5"]Expected Finish Around 6 to 6 1/2 Hours [/TD]
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[BGinGA]

Nice structure, with 500 big bet stacks. I'd say your time estimate is correct with 15-minute levels, but I'd expect it to last closer to 8 hours if using 20 minute levels. Unlike NLHE, there are a lot fewer all-in hands in the latter rounds of Razz that can end it when everybody has monster hands three-handed or heads-up.

What chips are you using?

 

[EZMONEYRMJ]

Nice structure, with 500 big bet stacks. I'd say your time estimate is correct with 15-minute levels, but I'd expect it to last closer to 8 hours if using 20 minute levels. Unlike NLHE, there are a lot fewer all-in hands in the latter rounds of Razz that can end it when everybody has monster hands three-handed or heads-up.

What chips are you using?

Thanks for the feedback BGinGA. When I set this structure up, I had thoughts about how it would play since short stack just cant move all in like in no limit and if it would make the knockouts take longer. I am thinking what I will do is leave the first 3 levels at 20 minutes so that everyone gets an hour of play before the dinner break. I'm sure will be a lot of learning during that hour for some people, and then change the rest of the levels to 15 min to get it to finish closer to the 6 hr range.

I have a fairly large set (2,400+) of faux clays that I use to run most of my tournaments. Typically we have 16 to 30 players over 3 tables. I know max on a table for Razz is 8 so if I get 25 or more, I will have to break out a 4th table. I am expecting 21 which would be a good number.

 

[Pinball]

My structur should end in about 2 hours, is this possible?

 

[Bloody Marvelous]

Not crazy about the jump from 500-1000 to 1000-2000, but other than that it's a pretty solid structure.

My group is doing a Limit Razz tournament in a week and here is the setup I have created. All of our Saturday night tourneys are deep stack tourneys. Most are Holdem No Limit tourneys but every now and then we switch it up. This will be our first time with Razz hence the structure so that everyone can get a feel of playing it before it gets serious. Approximately 24 players.

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[TD="colspan: 5"]Starting Stack: 100,000
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[TD="colspan: 5"]Blind Structure - All Levels are 20 Minutes
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[TD]Level
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[TD]Ante
[/TD]
[TD]High Card
[/TD]
[TD]Completion
[/TD]
[TD]Limits
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[TD]Level 1
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]100
[/TD]
[TD]100
[/TD]
[TD]100-200
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[TD]Level 2
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]100
[/TD]
[TD]200
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[TD]200-400
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[TD]Level 3
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]100
[/TD]
[TD]300
[/TD]
[TD]300-600
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[TD="colspan: 5"]Break - Dinner - No Chip Up
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[TD]Level 4
[/TD]
[TD]100
[/TD]
[TD]200
[/TD]
[TD]500
[/TD]
[TD]500-1000
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[TR]
[TD]Level 5
[/TD]
[TD]100
[/TD]
[TD]200
[/TD]
[TD]1000
[/TD]
[TD]1000-2000
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[TD]Level 6
[/TD]
[TD]300
[/TD]
[TD]300
[/TD]
[TD]1500
[/TD]
[TD]1500-3000
[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Level 7
[/TD]
[TD]500
[/TD]
[TD]500
[/TD]
[TD]2000
[/TD]
[TD]2000-4000
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Level 8
[/TD]
[TD]500
[/TD]
[TD]500
[/TD]
[TD]2500
[/TD]
[TD]2500-5000
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Level 9
[/TD]
[TD]500
[/TD]
[TD]500
[/TD]
[TD]3000
[/TD]
[TD]3000-6000
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 5"]Break - Chip Up All 100 & 500
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[TR]
[TD]Level 10
[/TD]
[TD]1000
[/TD]
[TD]1000
[/TD]
[TD]4000
[/TD]
[TD]4000-8000
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Level 11
[/TD]
[TD]1000
[/TD]
[TD]1000
[/TD]
[TD]5000
[/TD]
[TD]5000-10000
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Level 12
[/TD]
[TD]1000
[/TD]
[TD]1000
[/TD]
[TD]6000
[/TD]
[TD]6000-12000
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Level 13
[/TD]
[TD]2000
[/TD]
[TD]2000
[/TD]
[TD]8000
[/TD]
[TD]8000-16000
[/TD]
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[TD]Level 14
[/TD]
[TD]2000
[/TD]
[TD]2000
[/TD]
[TD]10K
[/TD]
[TD]10K-20K
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[TD="colspan: 5"]Break - 5 Minutes
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[TD]Level 15
[/TD]
[TD]3000
[/TD]
[TD]3000
[/TD]
[TD]12K
[/TD]
[TD]12K-24K
[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Level 16
[/TD]
[TD]3000
[/TD]
[TD]3000
[/TD]
[TD]15K
[/TD]
[TD]15K-30K
[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Level 17
[/TD]
[TD]3000
[/TD]
[TD]3000
[/TD]
[TD]20K
[/TD]
[TD]20K-40K
[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Level 18
[/TD]
[TD]5000
[/TD]
[TD]5000
[/TD]
[TD]25K
[/TD]
[TD]25K-50K
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Level 19
[/TD]
[TD]5000
[/TD]
[TD]5000
[/TD]
[TD]30K
[/TD]
[TD]30K-60K
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Level 20
[/TD]
[TD]5000
[/TD]
[TD]5000
[/TD]
[TD]35K
[/TD]
[TD]35K-70K
[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Level 21
[/TD]
[TD]5000
[/TD]
[TD]5000
[/TD]
[TD]40K
[/TD]
[TD]40K-80K
[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Level 22
[/TD]
[TD]10K
[/TD]
[TD]10K
[/TD]
[TD]50K
[/TD]
[TD]50K-100K
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[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 5"]TIMING
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[TD="colspan: 4"]First Break (Dinner) after 1 Hour of Play
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[TD]1 Hr
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[TD="colspan: 4"]Dinner Break = 30 Minutes
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[TD]1 Hr 30 Min
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[TD="colspan: 4"]2nd Break - Chip Up After 2 Hrs of Play + 10 Min Break
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[TD]3 Hr 40 Min
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[TD="colspan: 4"]3rd Break - 5 Min Break after 1 Hr 40 Min of Play
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[TD]5 Hr 25 Min
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[TD="colspan: 5"]Expected Finish Around 6 to 6 1/2 Hours
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[EZMONEYRMJ]

My structur should end in about 2 hours, is this possible?

See BGinGA response. Reply #4.

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Not crazy about the jump from 500-1000 to 1000-2000, but other than that it's a pretty solid structure.

In a tourney where you start with 100K, going from 500-1000 to 1000-2000 will not be considered a big jump.

 

[Pinball]

With only 20 big bets per stack, it will run about an hour and a half, certainly no longer than 2 hours. I'd advise either making the starting stacks larger, or starting with smaller betting sizes.

Using 10K starting stacks (50BB) would create an event with a lot more play possibilities, and still finish in around 2-1/2 hours.

Below is a tournament schedule we use for several stud games (Razz, Stud, Stud Hi/Lo, HORSE). The bring-in amount is the same as the ante size. With 10K stacks (67BB), 15-minute levels, and six players, it will usually run a little over 3 hours, or about 2.5 hours for 5K stacks (33BB):

rd sb bb ante
L1 75 150 25
L2 100 200 25
L3 125 250 50
L4 150 300 50
L5 200 400 75
L6 250 500 75
remove T25 chips
L7 300 600 100
L8 400 800 100
L9 500 1000 200
L10 600 1200 200
break
L11 800 1600 300
L12 1000 2000 300
L13 1200 2400 400
L14 1600 3200 400
remove T100 chips
L15 2000 4000 500
L16 2500 5000 1000
L17 3000 6000 1000
L18 4000 8000 1500

These structur worked very well!