Is it even worth it? What’s the high hand bonus usually? A couple hundred?
High hand drama at Tampa Hard Rock (2 Viewers)
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Anthony Martino
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On some days it's $500 or $777
They also have certain days where the highest hand of each 3 hr period wins 2k or 5k
now that you know the rules... you just blow everyone else off the pot whenever you flop a qualifying hand... when they fold... you scoop the high hand loot... if they call... you stack them and then scoop the high hand loot...
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Anthony Martino
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It's hard to push people out on the flop in 1/2 PLO, and now you can't even value bet your hand since the high hand can be more than most players have in chips
Marius L
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Most ridiculous ruling I have heard. Makes zero sense that you cannot use the turn/river to qualify, but the casino can use them to screw you over.
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This just made me think, doesn't it just depend on who you are? As in, the PLO players don't like this, but the Hold Em players do?
Does doing this one way or the other benefit the casino more?
Marius L
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Obviously fair enough that you have to flop the hand to qualify in PLO as opposed to HE where you can use all five cards. The problem in this instance is that the player did in fact flop it (and therefore qualified for the high hand), but ended up not qualifying after all because the kicker changed on the river (which is a card that is not intended to be used in PLO for the high hand bonus anyways ). Makes zero sense to me.
Good point about the casino making $ or not. Maybe if there's also is no other qualifying hand at all? If the casino isn't even making money on that shitty decision it just makes it even more ridiculous, as the only thing they get is pissed off players. Lol
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Anthony Martino
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It hurts dealers too who would get tipped on the high hand
Marius L
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How does the high hand bonus work? Would the player on your table have won it by getting that hand to qualify?
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In a cash game? Nothing
I know that Florida parimutuel card room are required to return 100% of the jackpot drop to players. Is this true for Hard Rock? If not, could that be a factor?
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Anthony Martino
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We have to hold up for a 30 minute period (or whatever is left of it) so there is no guarantee we will win
I flopped Aces full of 4's and ended it on the flop, snd held for 25 minutes to win $500 tonight
In my local room, you can be disqualified from receiving a HHJ if you reveal that you have a qualifying hand before action is complete.
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Anthony Martino
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Yes. That is a concern here. You'd have to do it cagey. Like asking ABOUT the high hand and then betting
In one of my local rooms, there would have to be a minimum of $20 in the pot (at a $2/$4 FL PLO8 game) to qualify. Nobody cared if people asked for a call, to get the pot to $20 and everybody knew what it meant.
Yeah, the game here is "I'd like to see a flop. How much needs to be in the pot for high hand?" when it folds to the blinds and a guy who normally chops has a big pair or a hand like AKs.
WedgeRock
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First off it's PLO. So you can't shove, just pot.
Second, many jackpots disqualify you if you discuss the jackpot during the hand.
If I flop quad aces deuce kicker in Anthony's game, I'll take my chances. Gonna get disqualified anyway (unless it goes runner runner deuces).
Unless of course they say the deuce on the river is the one that plays as your kicker.
That makes about as much sense as the current rule.
@Anthony Martino this question was for you. Any idea?
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Anthony Martino
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I'm not sure but I believe so.
Because you need to play 5 cards...kicker counts (just not needed for taking down the pot)
And it's all about the math...this way house is getting better odds
gopherblue
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Explain to me like I’m five how a kicker is at all relevant with quads? Four queens is four queens regardless if the kicker is a two or an ace. Kickers are only relevant when two hands are tied. There is no tie with quads, unless, in my example, there are three queens on the board and two players each have one of the remaining other two queens. In which case their kickers play and the table definitely needs a new deck and a new dealer.
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We're not playing a hand at the table though, we're identifying a high hand. If I have a high hand bonus at a home game, and someone flops four of a kind on the flop, but the hand improves on the turn or river, we don't write down what they hit on the flop.Explain to me like I’m five how a kicker is at all relevant with quads? Four queens is four queens regardless if the kicker is a two or an ace. Kickers are only relevant when two hands are tied. There is no tie with quads, unless, in my example, there are three queens on the board and two players each have one of the remaining other two queens. In which case their kickers play and the table definitely needs a new deck and a new dealer.
So for this, they're saying you must flop your high hand. Not "A" high hand. Consequently, if your hand improves on the turn or river, you flopped "a" high hand, but not your high hand (you turned or rivered your high hand) and are no longer eligible for high hand bonus.
It seems semantical, but I don't quite understand the uproar from everyone. If this does not somehow end up as a win for the chino, then whats the big deal? Just means more from high hand goes to hold em and such right? So someone is gonna be complaining on one side or the other. Now I know nothing about chinos, so if this does somehow earn them more money, then shame on them.
I believe the "logic" behind it is that you can't have a high hand if it isn't the best hand that you can play. So if you have QQ and the flop is QQ2 with a turn and river of KA, then your hand is QQQQA. On that board, your hand isn't QQQQ2.
Right. I don't think it's outrageous at all. Chalk it up to quirky house rules for high hand jackpots and live with it.
Natskule
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But in this scenario, the high hand is only counted after the flop. So it is just the first 7 cards, that way the casino can combine the NLHE table with the PLO taable for the high hand bonus.
The issue is if your high hand for the bonus only counts the flop, so the turn and river don't count for the high hand bonus, whether it make your hand better or not. The turn and river shouldn't counterfeit a hand for the high hand bonus, it should be strictly on the first 7 cards. If they want to allow the turn and river to possibly make a better hand and invalidate a PLO hand, then 2 more card should be dealt on the NLHE to give those players the same possibility to counterfeit their hands.
Natskule
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The casino needs to make it equitable between the Omaha and Hold 'Em tables, or have two separate high hand bonuses for each games.
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