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Hi all,

I'm new to tournament and I'm currently trying to together a STT set. I would love your input and help on this matter. I currently have 430 chips + 10 seating/bounty chips:

200 x $25
140 x $100
90 x $500

Some questions:
1. I have a vacancy of 60 chips to 500 chips. What is a good denom to add? 2k?
2. Would a set of 120/120/90/60 for 25/100/500/2k work? (Perhaps an answer from someone who can confidently correct me would be helpful)
3. Starting stack of 12/12/5/3?


I'm open to any suggestions as well. Bear in mind that shipping is really expensive for me, so "optimising breakdown" might be more costly. IMO adding 3 barrels is probably the easiest and cheapest option.

Any suggestion for the 2k chip would be appreciated as well (max $3/chip).

If it can't work I'd probably sell them off. Thanks!

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With a couple dark'ish chips for the 100 and 500, I'd go with a lighter color on the 2k to stand out.

Nice, but can be hard to find:
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Much more available:
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A live chip - a few of them are floating around out there:
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Also kinda nice:
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Edit: Added the SY $2. Nice.
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With a couple dark'ish chips for the 100 and 500, I'd go with a lighter color on the 2k to stand out.

Nice, but can be hard to find:
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Much more available:
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A live chip - a few of them are floating around out there:
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Also kinda nice:
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Santa Ysabel $2 would work nicely too.
 

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Does that mean I can sell off a rack of chips - 80 $25s and 20 $100s? Then I'd colour up with 500s and 2ks only
Yeah, I checked on the calculator and with color-ups for 10-people and no rebuys, you would only need 400 chips in total. 120, 150, 80, 50 respectively.
 

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Yeah, I checked on the calculator and with color-ups for 10-people and no rebuys, you would only need 400 chips in total. 120, 150, 80, 50 respectively.
Might be hard to find just 10 $100s. 120/120/90/60 doesn't work? Guess I'd compromise and do a double colour-up (use 500s to colour up 100s, then use the 100s to colour up 25s). Would that work?

yes, but you need 200 more $25
I already have 200 $25s. If 120/120/90/60 works then I'd sell the 4 barrels of 25 + 1 barrel of $100.
 

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Might be hard to find just 10 $100s. 120/120/90/60 doesn't work? Guess I'd compromise and do a double colour-up (use 500s to colour up 100s, then use the 100s to colour up 25s). Would that work?


I already have 200 $25s. If 120/120/90/60 works then I'd sell the 4 barrels of 25 + 1 barrel of $100.
That would probably work, the chip calculator doesn't use normal color-ups, it uses color-ups that just colors up 25s to 100s, etc. whereas the correct strategy is just putting in more 2ks and exchanging them for the lower denoms.
 

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2k plaques? You'd need about 30 of them at about $7 per.
Not plaques, probably overlabelled chip.

That would probably work, the chip calculator doesn't use normal color-ups, it uses color-ups that just colors up 25s to 100s, etc. whereas the correct strategy is just putting in more 2ks and exchanging them for the lower denoms.
So a 120/120/90/60 would work?

Edit: Thanks, I'd like some assurance from others as well that this breakdown is workable before committing to it.
 
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I do not recommend using a T2000 chip in a small set used for small starting stacks or just one or two tables. You will also need a LOT more T500 chips if you are using T2000 chips (5 per starting stack is about half of what you'll need). The T500 chip is a workhorse chip, when no T1000 chips are in play.

Smallest starting stacks I recommend are T20K (12/12/9/7) for a bare minimum of two tables (20 players), and 3+ tables is preferred. Otherwise, you are better off using T1000 chips.

So minimum recommended set size if using T2000 chips would be:

240 x T25
240 x T100
180 x T500
155 x T2000 (includes 15x for T25/T100 color-ups)
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Smallest starting stacks I recommend are T20K (12/12/9/7) for a bare minimum of two tables (20 players), and 3+ tables is preferred. Otherwise, you are better off using T1000 chips.

Pertaining specifically to what I have now, what is the best way to make it into a playable set then? 160 1k chips?

Or it would be impossible
 

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If using T1000 chips, you can use this breakdown for a 10K starting stack (12/12/5/6) event for 16 players:

200 x T25 (192 required, 8 extras)
200 x T100 (192 required, 8 extras)
80 x T500
121 x T1000 (includes 25x for T25/T100 color-ups)
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585 chips

You could theoretically use your extra 10x T500 chips to color-up the T25s, thus only needing 20 T1000 chips for T100 color-up:

200 x T25 (192 required, 8 extras)
200 x T100 (192 required, 8 extras)
90 x T500 (includes 10x for T25 color-ups)
116 x T1000 (includes 20x for T100 color-ups)
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590 chips

Or if you want to use 12/12/5/6 stacks for a single table and 8/8/4/7 stacks for 16 players, you can get by with this breakdown:

128 x T25
128 x T100
64 x T500
129 x T1000 (includes 17x for T25/T100 color-ups)
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449 chips
 

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Pertaining specifically to what I have now, what is the best way to make it into a playable set then? 160 1k chips?

Or it would be impossible
Are you trying to create a single-table set or two-table set?
 

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Yeah, but 200x is pretty standard for a two-table set seating 8 players per table. That threw me off.
Somebody had said something about a 20/x/x/x starting stack, which probably made him think he needed more chips.
 

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Pertaining specifically to what I have now, what is the best way to make it into a playable set then? 160 1k chips?
For a single table set (10 players) with T10K stacks (12/12/5/6), I'd recommend the following:

120 x T25
120 x T100
50 x T500
75 x T1000 (includes 15x for T25/T100 color-ups)
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365 chips

If wanting to upsize, I'd add 20x T5000 chips (allows for larger 20K stacks or up to 10 x 10K re-buys).
 

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Thanks for the detailed input on possible starting stacks and possible combinations of the set. I was looking to complete a STT but I guess a 2 table would work out as well if not too expensive. However, I don't think I could get any more hundos to complete 2 racks, so I'd probably be trimming down my set to build a STT.

For a single table set (10 players) with T10K stacks (12/12/5/6), I'd recommend the following:

120 x T25
120 x T100
50 x T500
75 x T1000 (includes 15x for T25/T100 color-ups)
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365 chips

If wanting to upsize, I'd add 20x T5000 chips (allows for larger 20K stacks or up to 10 x 10K re-buys).

This seems like the most ideal breakdown for now.

I'd sell off:
4 barrels of 25
1 barrel of 100
2 barrels of 500

And buy:
4 barrels of T1000
+/- 1 barrel of T5000

Does that sound right? Thanks a lot for your advice @BGinGA really appreciate it. I'll give it some good thought.
 
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Weighing my options here, what breakdown would I need for a starting stack of 12/12/7/5?

Also, what about adding a T5 instead of adding T1k/T5k? Not sure how a T5 would work. Thanks!
 

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Absolutely. I typically recommend using between 10-16 chips each of the lowest two denominations in any tournament set (so 10 or 15 each if T1-, T5-. T100-, or T500-base, and 12 or 16 each if T.25 or T25-base).

T2000 stacks, T5-base:
10 x T5
10 x T25
7 x T100
2 x T500
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29 chips per player. A bare-bones 10-player set (with color-ups) can be built using 300 chips (100/100/70/20/10).
Saw a post sometime last year from @BGinGA

Just wondering, would it be possible to run a 2 table tourney with 200/200/140/40/20 for the denom 5/25/100/500/1000? This seems like an near way to complete it by adding 2 racks of T5 and a barrel of 1k only.
 

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I meant what breakdown of each denom I would need if I were to start at T5
I'm still not clear on exactly what you're trying to do here. Your set from the OP is adequate for a 1 table tourney.

200 x $25
140 x $100
90 x $500

You want to increase the number of players?
 

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I'm considering all options on how to have a complete tournament set. I'm okay with both STT and 2 table, and I'm exploring all my options on what's the best way to complete my set. I'm going with overlabels, so I would like to know the denomination breakdown (what @BGinGA has been kindly posting) before purchasing the chips.

Your set from the OP is adequate for a 1 table tourney.
You want to increase the number of players?
What would the breakdown of chips be like? Thanks
 

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Here is my favorite breakdown for a T-10,000 freeze out (adjusted for 20 players) with enough chips to color up all the way

240 $25 / 300 $100 / 200 $500 / 200 $1,000
starting stacks 12-12-7-5

 
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