Help Me With a Cash Set Breakdown That's Versatile Enough For Multiple Stakes (1 Viewer)

[SeenRed]

Hoping for some advice from all you experienced chippers on good breakdowns for a cash game set. I'd like it to be versatile enough to cover several micro- and small stakes games. I'll try to outline the general parameters of the the games, and my initial thought process...just to try and answer most of the questions y'all might ask:

• NLHE, never more than 10 players. Never smaller stakes than .25/.50, and never larger than $1/$2.
• The games I want to have the proper breakdown to cover: .25/.50, .50/$1, $1/$1, and $1/$2 NLHE
• Regardless of stakes, buy-ins are max 100 BBs capped...and rarely do all players buy-in for the max.
• Limited to one rebuy for up to 100 BBs.
• Fairly conservative games. More limps than a lot of games, and most opens are in the 2X-3X BB range.
• I don't have a specific chip number in my head...I'll buy as many as needed to meet the requirements laid out - but I don't want to end up with a bunch more chips than needed either.
• My initial thinking is 4...maybe 5 denoms: .25, $1, $5, $25...and maybe a small number of hundos. I could be persuaded to consider $20s instead of $25s with good reasoning.

What's the fewest number of chips I could adequately put together to satisfy those needs? Am I wrong to think that I might accomplish my objective with a set of maybe 700-800? What do you experienced chippers advise for the best breakdown?

TIA...

Red

 

[chipinla]

$20s over $25s for 2 reasons.

Cash game = $20 bills (easier to cash out)

4 denoms, low stakes, why have a “25” on 2 of the 4 denoms? Low stakes people drink more and it’s confusing. Kind of joking but kind of serious.

You’d love my sets.

500 chips.
160 - 25¢
220 - $1
80 - $5
40 - $20

 

[SeenRed]

$20s over $25s for 2 reasons.

Cash game = $20 bills (easier to cash out)

4 denoms, low stakes, why have a “25” on 2 of the 4 denoms? Low stakes people drink more and it’s confusing. Kind of joking but kind of serious.

You’d love my sets.

500 chips.
160 - 25¢
220 - $1
80 - $5
40 - $20

Thanks for the reply. I hadn't thought of the possible confusion of of two demoms with a "25" on them...good point.

So you believe that 80 $5s is enough? Seems like the $5 chip is the workhorse in many $1/$2 games...Maybe keep the same breakdown you lay out, but add an extra rack of $5s for a $1/$2 game?

 

[Dodger]

Check this post (and entire thread in general) to cover 5c/10c to $1/$2:

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...ame-chip-set-5c-10c-to-5-10.30897/post-567891

 

[chipinla]

Thanks for the reply. I hadn't thought of the possible confusion of of two demoms with a "25" on them...good point.

So you believe that 80 $5s is enough? Seems like the $5 chip is the workhorse in many $1/$2 games...Maybe keep the same breakdown you lay out, but add an extra 100 $5s for a $1/$2 game?

I guess I should clarify my games are strictly .25/.25 or .25/.50. Never $1/$2. Just the crowd I play with. But yes, another rack of $5s would not hurt at all.

 

[davislane]

based on your max criteria you would need a set that has at least $4k of bank. $200 (100bb) x 10ppl x 2 buyins.

25c × 160
$1 × 240
$5 × 220
$20/$25 × 60
$100 × 20

600 chips total.
bank = $4580/$4880

alt break down.
25c × 160
$1 × 240
$5 × 240
$20/$25 × 40
$100 × 20

600 chips total.
bank = $4280/$4480

 

[Machine]

My game just ended, We had about 1200 on the table, I run a .25/.50 game. Here is the break down I used for the game.
25 min / 65 max

.25 - 80 (we only used 60 and there was no hassle with it, didn't make a bunch of change at all)
$1 - 200
$5 - 200 (I had 1 rack out)
$20 - 60

I only use the 20s for all rebuys and an odd 5, they make change on the table. I like the 20s over the 25s as well for most games, the color scheme is always better too! I prefer yellow or grey over green but not purple. (if you stick with Cali / Vegas)


25c × 100
$1 × 240
$5 × 260
$20/$25 × 80
$100 × 20

700 chips
bank = 5,165

 

[SeenRed]

alt break down.
25c × 160
$1 × 240
$5 × 240
$20/$25 × 40
$100 × 20

600 chips total.
bank = $4280/$4480

25c × 100
$1 × 240
$5 × 260
$20/$25 × 80
$100 × 20

700 chips
bank = 5,165

Thanks for the input! I imagine either of these break downs would meet my needs. These suggestions make me believe I can run any cash game I’d be likely to have with -at most- a 700 chip break down…plenty for each stake with extra larger denoms for re-buys.

Are there other considerations I haven’t though about?

Thanks again!
Red

 

[upNdown]

.25 x 100
1.00 x 200
5.00 x 400
25 x 100

That's how I'd do it if I were limiting myself to 800 chips. It's a bank of $4700, which could be a little light for a 10 handed $1/2 game though.
If I REALLY planned on hosting all those stakes, I'd want a minimum of 1,000 chips (probably adding another 180 $5s and 20 $100s.) But if I wanted to get away with 700 chips, I'd go:
100
200
300
60
40

Edit: and I DO think $20s are much cooler than $25s, but if we're limiting the amount of chips in the set, then a rack of $25s puts an extra $500 in the bank.

 

[chipinla]

.25 x 100
1.00 x 200
5.00 x 400
25 x 100

That's how I'd do it if I were limiting myself to 800 chips. It's a bank of $4700, which could be a little light for a 10 handed $1/2 game though.
If I REALLY planned on hosting all those stakes, I'd want a minimum of 1,000 chips (probably adding another 180 $5s and 20 $100s.) But if I wanted to get away with 700 chips, I'd go:
100
200
300
60
40

Personally, I would still lose the $25 and use a $20 simply to not have two chips with a “25” on them in a 4 chip set.

 

[upNdown]

Personally, I would still lose the $25 and use a $20 simply to not have two chips with a “25” on them in a 4 chip set.

Ha, I just addressed that in my edit above, before I'd read this.

 

[AnteAndy]

25c × 100
$1 × 200
$5 × 300
$20/$25 × 80
$100 × 20
=$5725 ($5325 w/ $20)

You don't need more than 100x quarters and 200x $1s, especially if playing $1 SB games where the $5 is the workhorse chip so $1s won't be used that much. Plus for 100BB games of $1/2 you will have at least 28 max buy ins (if using $25s) for a full table of 10; would cover two people short of 3 max buy-ins per person, but for 9-max it should be plenty.

I prefer $25s to help inflate the bank than $20s would. I prefer giving multiple chips for a buy-instead of one chip (4x $5s for $20), plus I like green more to give a good variety of warm and cool colors in a chip set, especially if quarters and $1s are blue and white, respectively or not. You most likely won't use the $25s when playing .25/.50 so it shouldn't be an issue of confusion with two numbered 25 chips in the set.

 

[Machine]

I've given this more thought.

Capped at 100 bb for a 1/2 NLHE game, the average 'player' will buy in for the max, and then likely rebuy 2 x, but let's cut it down to 1.5x.

$200 x 1.5 = $350 x 10 = $ 3500​

Capped at 100 bb - 1/2 NLHE 2x

$200 x 2 = $400 x 10 = $ 4900​

Capped at 100 bb - 1/2 NLHE 3x

$200 x 3 = $600 x 10 = $ 6000​

Capped at 100 bb - 1/2 NLHE 4x - Just us degens

$200 x 4 = $800 x 10 = $ 8000​

Same thing .25 / 50 game
$50 x 1.5 = $75 x 10 = $ 750
$50 x 2 = $100 x 10 = $ 1000
$50 x 3 = $150 x 10 = $ 1500
$50 x 4 = $200 x 10 = $ 2000

In the 1/2 I think the second scenario is more likely, 1 buy in and 1 full rebuy - in a 1/2 your workhorse is going to be the 5
In the .25/.50 I think the third scenario is more likely, 1 buy in and 2 full rebuys, workhorse is the 1

Assertion (premises) - In a 1/2 game no needs more than $10 in $1 chips. (This is the primary factor in chip break down, after bank needs)
Assumption - this is not a raked game

.25 / .50 Game

.25 x 80 - Ceiling of chip count for the denom
$1 x 200 - Ceiling of chip count for the denom
$5 x 140
20 x 60
Bank = 3720

1 / 2 Game

$1 x 100
$5 x 300 - Ceiling of chip count for the denom
$20 x 120 - Ceiling of chip count for the denom
$100 x 40 (this is 50% of the bank and a safety net) - Ceiling of chip count for the denom
bank = 8000 (for the degens)

Consolidation of chips

Chip denom​	Quantity ​	Total Value in Units
.25​	80​	20
1​	200​	200
5​	300​	1500
20​	120​	2400
100​	40​	4000
	740​	8120​

I think this would be a buy once, cry once situation, even if you disagree with the number of $1s that players would need to start with, please note nowhere in this post do I refer to 1s as white, if you are visualizing $1s as white you have been brain washed and are bias; we do have a support group for that, search 'Cali' its like taking the red pill!

Still looking for my mic drop emoji..

 

[AnteAndy]

25c × 100
$1 × 200
$5 × 300
$20/$25 × 80
$100 × 20
=$5725 ($5325 w/ $20)

You don't need more than 100x quarters and 200x $1s, especially if playing $1 SB games where the $5 is the workhorse chip so $1s won't be used that much. Plus for 100BB games of $1/2 you will have at least 28 max buy ins (if using $25s) for a full table of 10; would cover two people short of 3 max buy-ins per person, but for 9-max it should be plenty.

I prefer $25s to help inflate the bank than $20s would. I prefer giving multiple chips for a buy-instead of one chip (4x $5s for $20), plus I like green more to give a good variety of warm and cool colors in a chip set, especially if quarters and $1s are blue and white, respectively or not. You most likely won't use the $25s when playing .25/.50 so it shouldn't be an issue of confusion with two numbered 25 chips in the set.

Also depending on what chip set you may get, if you don't end up getting custom or Paulson chips, most vendors online I'm aware of sell in quantities of 25x, so then get 75x $25s & 25x $100s, for a new bank total of $6100 to help future proof you set for big games.

 

[aggie]

@Dodger link above is a great resource for minimums.

Your game runs very similar to one of mine, and 100/200/300/160/40 (800) takes care of the entire range. Don’t cut yourself short on bank; real life degeneracy is much different than theoretical “max bank” discussions.

Ideally 100-300 more $5s would be great but not necessary.

 

[chipinla]

Also depending on what chip set you may get, if you don't end up getting custom or Paulson chips, most vendors online I'm aware of sell in quantities of 25x, so then get 75x $25s & 25x $100s, for a new bank total of $6100 to help future proof you set for big games.

Every time I see vendors selling in quantities of 25 when barrels are quantities of 20 I think of this scene.

 

[chipinla]

@Dodger link above is a great resource for minimums.

Your game runs very similar to one of mine, and 100/200/300/160/40 (800) takes care of the entire range. Don’t cut yourself short on bank; real life degeneracy is much different than theoretical “max bank” discussions.

Ideally 100-300 more $5s would be great but not necessary.

Or you could do 200-600 $2.50s?…

 

[aggie]

Or you could do 200-600 $2.50s?…
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If all I had was a $1,500 bank (160/220/80/40) to run $1/2, I’d be begging for any denomination chip available … even snappers!

 

[upNdown]

I've given this more thought.

Capped at 100 bb for a 1/2 NLHE game, the average 'player' will buy in for the max, and then likely rebuy 2 x, but let's cut it down to 1.5x.

$200 x 1.5 = $350 x 10 = $ 3500​

Capped at 100 bb - 1/2 NLHE 2x

$200 x 2 = $400 x 10 = $ 4900​

Capped at 100 bb - 1/2 NLHE 3x

$200 x 3 = $600 x 10 = $ 6000​

Capped at 100 bb - 1/2 NLHE 4x - Just us degens

$200 x 4 = $800 x 10 = $ 8000​

Same thing .25 / 50 game
$50 x 1.5 = $75 x 10 = $ 750
$50 x 2 = $100 x 10 = $ 1000
$50 x 3 = $150 x 10 = $ 1500
$50 x 4 = $200 x 10 = $ 2000

In the 1/2 I think the second scenario is more likely, 1 buy in and 1 full rebuy - in a 1/2 your workhorse is going to be the 5
In the .25/.50 I think the third scenario is more likely, 1 buy in and 2 full rebuys, workhorse is the 1

Assertion (premises) - In a 1/2 game no needs more than $10 in $1 chips. (This is the primary factor in chip break down, after bank needs)
Assumption - this is not a raked game

.25 / .50 Game

.25 x 80 - Ceiling of chip count for the denom
$1 x 200 - Ceiling of chip count for the denom
$5 x 140
20 x 60
Bank = 3720

1 / 2 Game

$1 x 100
$5 x 300 - Ceiling of chip count for the denom
$20 x 120 - Ceiling of chip count for the denom
$100 x 40 (this is 50% of the bank and a safety net) - Ceiling of chip count for the denom
bank = 8000 (for the degens)

Consolidation of chips

Chip denom​	Quantity ​	Total Value in Units
.25​	80​	20
1​	200​	200
5​	300​	1500
20​	120​	2400
100​	40​	4000
	740​	8120​

I think this would be a buy once, cry once situation, even if you disagree with the number of $1s that players would need to start with, please note nowhere in this post do I refer to 1s as white, if you are visualizing $1s as white you have been brain washed and are bias; we do have a support group for that, search 'Cali' its like taking the red pill!

Still looking for my mic drop emoji..

I was going to make fun of you for suggesting he buy 740 chips.
Then I decided that I should work on being less of a dick, and not make fun of people unless it's totally necessary.
But then you said that thing about white $1s.
so
SEVEN HUNDRED AND FORTY CHIPS? ARE YOU SURE HE DOESN'T NEED 743? MAYBE HE COULD GET AWAY WITH 699??

 

[Coyote]

There is no other flexibility feature for this kind of games range than the Non-Denominated fractional chip, to play as either .25 or.50, or even $2 in $1/1 or 1/2 games. So:
100x ND
200x $1
200x $5
100x $20
40x $100

To get to 800 if you can afford it (depending on the type of chips) you could add another 100x $5s and 60x $20s.

 

[Machine]

If it has to 699 then I would take 1 of the hundos out and one of the....

Hashtag teamCali for life

 

[chipinla]

I was going to make fun of you for suggesting he buy 740 chips.
Then I decided that I should work on being less of a dick, and not make fun of people unless it's totally necessary.
But then you said that thing about white $1s.
so
SEVEN HUNDRED AND FORTY CHIPS? ARE YOU SURE HE DOESN'T NEED 743? MAYBE HE COULD GET AWAY WITH 699??

 

[SeenRed]

Edit: and I DO think $20s are much cooler than $25s, but if we're limiting the amount of chips in the set, then a rack of $25s puts an extra $500 in the bank.

That's one of my reasons for leaning toward $25s - the extra bank. And I personally prefer the greens.

25c × 100
$1 × 200
$5 × 300
$20/$25 × 80
$100 × 20
=$5725 ($5325 w/ $20)

You don't need more than 100x quarters and 200x $1s, especially if playing $1 SB games where the $5 is the workhorse chip so $1s won't be used that much. Plus for 100BB games of $1/2 you will have at least 28 max buy ins (if using $25s) for a full table of 10; would cover two people short of 3 max buy-ins per person, but for 9-max it should be plenty.

I prefer $25s to help inflate the bank than $20s would. I prefer giving multiple chips for a buy-instead of one chip (4x $5s for $20), plus I like green more to give a good variety of warm and cool colors in a chip set, especially if quarters and $1s are blue and white, respectively or not. You most likely won't use the $25s when playing .25/.50 so it shouldn't be an issue of confusion with two numbered 25 chips in the set.

This may be most closely aligned to my own thinking. And after thinking about for a while, I agree that it isn't very likely that I'd be putting both 25c and $25s in the same game. Plus, I like the green $25s.

I've given this more thought.

Capped at 100 bb for a 1/2 NLHE game, the average 'player' will buy in for the max, and then likely rebuy 2 x, but let's cut it down to 1.5x.

$200 x 1.5 = $350 x 10 = $ 3500​

Capped at 100 bb - 1/2 NLHE 2x

$200 x 2 = $400 x 10 = $ 4900​

Capped at 100 bb - 1/2 NLHE 3x

$200 x 3 = $600 x 10 = $ 6000​

Capped at 100 bb - 1/2 NLHE 4x - Just us degens

$200 x 4 = $800 x 10 = $ 8000​

Assertion (premises) - In a 1/2 game no needs more than $10 in $1 chips. (This is the primary factor in chip break down, after bank needs)
Assumption - this is not a raked game

As I outlined in my OP, I am talking about a 100BB capped buy-in...but it was agreed long ago to limit the game to ONLY ONE 100BB max re-buy. And rarely do ALL these players buy in for the max - either on initial buy-in or on re-buy.

The assertion that nobody needs more than 10 $1 chips seems right to me. And your assumption that the game is not raked is correct.

Also depending on what chip set you may get, if you don't end up getting custom or Paulson chips, most vendors online I'm aware of sell in quantities of 25x, so then get 75x $25s & 25x $100s, for a new bank total of $6100 to help future proof you set for big games.

Yeah good point - because I'm probably looking at one of Apache's CC sets. But it looks easy enough to adjust your general break down to multiples of x25.

 

[Coyote]

A $20 can also be green (while a $25 can only be green)

 

[SeenRed]

@Dodger link above is a great resource for minimums.

Your game runs very similar to one of mine, and 100/200/300/160/40 (800) takes care of the entire range. Don’t cut yourself short on bank; real life degeneracy is much different than theoretical “max bank” discussions.

Ideally 100-300 more $5s would be great but not necessary.

800 doesn't sound to unreasonable, and wouldn't be out of the question. And if I went with that many, your break down seems to make sense.

 

[chipinla]

A $20 can also be green (while a $25 can only be green)

Who has a green $20‽‽ that’s madness! Oh wait…

 

[Coyote]

 

[SeenRed]

Great info guys...just what I was looking for! Thanks for all the good ideas

Red

 

[upNdown]

Who has a green $20‽‽ that’s madness! Oh wait…
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Ahem

 

[TheOffalo]

$25s don't need to be green, they can be purple too, in CA:

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