Help decide the value chip(s) for this Navy-themed hot stamp limit set (1 Viewer)

[andrebttx]

My grandfather served as the commanding officer for the USS Sellers DDG as part of his career in the Navy. I ended up inheriting the collection of all things USS Sellers, and one of the times while I was holding the patch, I decided it was something that would look nice as a golden hot stamp, and a nice thing I could do to commemorate that part of my family history.

So, at DiD, I talked with @Josh Kifer about executing on the design, and I left super stoked to get the ball rolling on this project… and then we got a nice classic severe Texas storm with hail that resulted in roof damage, and well, I had to cancel any hobby spending after we paid for that repair bill. So this idea went back on the shelf for some future day, until the news about CPC dropped. And so, since it’s now or never, guess we’re gonna make it work.

I landed on a hot stamp limit set, because

1) hot stamps are actually awesome, and I don’t have a set of them
2) I actually really enjoy limit, but don’t have a set for that either
3) limit lets me do the rare non-denomination set, which serves the multiple purposes of preserving the original design, future proofing the stakes (plus, to be honest, I already play wildly different stakes between our home game vs with PCF anyways), and saving on designing and making multiple dies

Okay so finally, preamble aside, here are the drafts I’m at, going from workhorse, to value, to super value (1:20:100 ratio).

I’m pretty locked in on the white chip. Is the black and red too stark compared to the lighter colors of the others? Do I even need the second, bigger value chip? Many limit sets I see don’t use them, but I’m also having to balance the reality that I won’t be able to buy infinite racks of the main chip or add on in the future, so one chip representing an entire rack is an economical way to make the set functional and future-proof.

For traveling purposes, I imagine this set would be 900-80-20.

I welcome whatever feedback y’all have!

 

[moose]

Go with a non denominational design. Then you can play any stakes at the same ratio. The second black chip is fire. You might want to consider antes and small blinds and change the set to 100-800-100.

For example $5-10 limit, what do you use for a small blind for flop games or antes for stud games?

 

[andrebttx]

You might want to consider antes and small blinds and change the set to 100-800-100.

For example $5-10 limit, what do you use for a small blind for flop games or antes for stud games?

I admittedly have not played as big as 5/10 and have not been in a situation where the workhorse couldn't handle antes / blinds. I'll have to think about that, but that's good food for thought.

 

[FestiveKnight]

Some thoughts

I agree with @moose you should think carefully about stakes and having a lower denom. It can work to use the lowest denom for antes etc with a dealer ante but uses a lot of chips. It’s also a way to get all three denoms in play more.

I like the second black chip much more.

I would consider giving the other two chips the treatment of two edge spot colors. Especially for that second chip, there are so many CPC colors that go so well with imperial blue. The black chip is a little plain to me. If that makes it too expensive, I think you can also make the first and second chip lower level spots (214 with same colors for the white chip and then 414 for the workhorse)

 

[Phoe9x]

I love the white chip, pretty much a Vegas NYNY dupe. The other two are a bit lack luster.

The value chip should really encompass the theme, and I think a classic edge spot like 312 or another large edge spot really screams retro and classic. That mixes better with a US Navy theme than what you have imo.

 

[andrebttx]

I love the white chip, pretty much a Vegas NYNY dupe. The other two are a bit lack luster.

The value chip should really encompass the theme, and I think a classic edge spot like 312 or another large edge spot really screams retro and classic. That mixes better with a US Navy theme than what you have imo.

Yeah, it pretty much is straight up NYNY, but it feels very naval whites and on-theme.

The other two, yeah, I was trying to incorporate the gold-on-blue from the patch, and with the spots of the black, I was thinking of the horizontal stripes of officer stripes -

I’m open to swapping the colors to make it gold-on-black to make it more clear, but to be honest, my first glances at any of the reds on any of the blues while messing with my color sample set never really came with bolts of inspiration.

Especially for that second chip, there are so many CPC colors that go so well with imperial blue.

Yeah y’all got me back to the drawing board.

 

[warma]

For a limit set, you only need two chips. The betting chip and a value chip. No need for a third. If you have antes, go with table antes. For a 2-chip/4-chip 7-stud game: bring-in - 1 chip, dealer ante - 3 chips (or 4 chips with 7 or more players). My limit games play that way and it works- the only hiccup being if we play an ante game, we go full-orbit to make it fair.

You should also put your focus on the betting chip as that’s the only thing that will hit the felt past the betting line. The value chip may never be used, depending on how many betting chips you buy and how many players are at the table.

Depending on how your game plays, a 2-chip/4-chip game with 900 chips and 9 people will likely see value chips every game; with 900 chips and 6 people, most games will likely see at least one. It’s also unlikely you’ll need 80 value chips. With buy-in at a rack and value chips 20x the betting chip, that’s 5 value chips per re-load (rack) and thus 16 reloads. That’s a lot of losing in limit, which is kinda hard to do.

I have an 800/60 chip set-with extras-and with 6/7 players have seen a max of 3 value chips on the table. (I would have gone 900/40 if I were ordering today.)

As for the theme… Navy is blue and gold. So some variation of blue and yellow would be spot on for a betting chip… maybe 212, 312, 1/2 Pie, 1/4 Pie. Value chip could be whatever.

Here’s mine for reference:

Edit: fixed typo

 

[andrebttx]

For a limit set, you only need two chips. The betting chip and a value chip. No need for a third. If you have antes, go with table antes. For a 2-chip/4-chip 7-stud game: bring-in - 1 chip, dealer ante - 3 chips (or 4 chips with 7 or more players). My limit games play that way and it works- the only hiccup being if we play an ante game, we go full-orbit to make it fair.

You should also put your focus on the betting chip as that’s the only thing that will hit the felt past the betting line. The value chip may never be used, depending on how many betting chips you buy and how many players are at the table.

Depending on your your game plays, a 2-chip/4-chip game with 900 chips and 9 people will likely see value chips every game; with 900 chips and 6 people, most games will likely see at least one. It’s also unlikely you’ll need 80 value chips. With buy-in at a rack and value chips 20x the betting chip, that’s 5 value chips per re-load (rack) and thus 16 reloads. That’s a lot of loosing in limit, which is kinda hard to do.

I have an 800/60 chip set-with extras-and with 6/7 players have seen a max of 3 value chips on the table. (I would have gone 900/40 if I were ordering today.)

As for the theme… Navy is blue and gold. So some variation of blue and yellow would be spot on for a betting chip… maybe 212, 312, 1/2 Pie, 1/4 Pie. Value chip could be whatever.

Here’s mine for reference:

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I agree with you that it is really, really unlikely that that many value chips actually get in. In an ideal world, I would probably get the ball rolling with like 700 workhorses just to sit a 7-max, and some values to cover some rebuys, and then just add on over time until we’re at a mountain of chips. But unfortunately, with the CPC news, and not having the money to buy that mountain of chips up front, I’d rather have some value chips I don’t use than be unable to bank a game a decade from now with no recourse to fix it.

But everything you said totally makes sense.