GPI made the “Casino royale” chips ? (2 Viewers)

[scoobycheesydoooo]

Hi,

I just got off the phone with someone, and while we were talking he told me that the casino royale chips were made by GPI, which is the first time I hear that.
It’s a legit source, I can’t tell any details who I talked too, but rest assure its a person who works for them (at the moment).

I’ve always thought, cartamundi was the actual manufacturer of these chips but its not. Not for the chips in the movie, yes they are knockoffs at the market, aka Chinese replicas etc. But its all making sense now, as the original chips have B&G JAV mold, in all scenes even at the Bahamas beach club scene. Here is also a plaque shown below that is clearly a B&G plaque.

The funny thing is, I never encountered the real B&G chips that where used in the movie.
I’ve only saw and handled the knockoffs that do have the same mold, but it’s obviously not B&G.

Does anyone here have ever seen these chips, or where they destroyed ?

Scoob

 

[kaimat]

@allforcharity @Phantom @Fleming are our resident Bond experts here

 

[scoobycheesydoooo]

@allforcharity @Phantom @Fleming are our resident Bond experts here

I’m very positive that the plaques in the movie made by B&G. Even in the infamous poker scene, it’s clearly visible to see that those aren’t Matsui plaques or whatever that has been told. And the chips, I’m pretty sure they are B&G as well, like a said, the source is legitimate. And they would never use a knockoff chip in such movie, whilst the plaques are clearly B&G. The chips too are B&G, all of them

 

[allforcharity]

The plaques for the movie were made by B&G for sure.

 

[allforcharity]

Cartamundi has had what seems to be a long-running contract to manufacture lots of promotional and licensed stuff from the Bond franchise such as various paper card decks and games, and the poker sets. I don't know if they were ever involved in the actual production design for movie props.

 

[scoobycheesydoooo]

The plaques for the movie were made by B&G for sure.

What’s crazy is, if you play that scene, and hear the chips riffle, it’s really that cheap sound of those knockoffs that are sold everywhere, but I still think it’s B&G.
New B&G chips tend to sound different new vs casino used, these chips were clearly new when the movie was filmed as they were made specifically for the movie.
What I also saw, and let me think that the chips are B&G, is how they looked in a stack, cheap chips don’t have such nice high quality edges, if you know what I mean.
Take a look :

 

[scoobycheesydoooo]

Cartamundi has had what seems to be a long-running contract to manufacture lots of promotional and licensed stuff from the Bond franchise such as various paper card decks and games, and the poker sets. I don't know if they were ever involved in the actual production design for movie props.

I was told that all chips and plaques were from GPI and they were very proud of it that they made the chips and plaques.

Now as for the cards, yeah cartamundi was the supplier.

 

[allforcharity]

The sound of the chip shuffling from the movie is not the actual sound of the chips as filmed. It's the responsibility of the foley artists and sound editors to re-record these under better studio conditions. They probably used cheap crap for the sound effects. They really need us to be consultants on these things.

 

[scoobycheesydoooo]

The sound of the chip shuffling from the movie is not the actual sound of the chips as filmed. It's the responsibility of the foley artists and sound editors to re-record these under better studio conditions. They probably used cheap crap for the sound effects. They really need us to be consultants on these things.

Yes, it’s a very crappy sound. Exactly like those 20ct chips, no offense but they sound horrible. High pitch cling, whilst BG have a deeper clack, much fuller sound.

 

[warma]

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly.27741/post-1634830

Also see the post by @GianThaMan referenced in the above post along with post 129 (a few down from the linked post above).

 

[mipevi]

I have Bond's keychain!

 

[CrazyEddie]

Hi,

I just got off the phone with someone, and while we were talking he told me that the casino royale chips were made by GPI, which is the first time I hear that.
It’s a legit source, I can’t tell any details who I talked too, but rest assure its a person who works for them (at the moment).

I’ve always thought, cartamundi was the actual manufacturer of these chips but its not. Not for the chips in the movie, yes they are knockoffs at the market, aka Chinese replicas etc. But its all making sense now, as the original chips have B&G JAV mold, in all scenes even at the Bahamas beach club scene. Here is also a plaque shown below that is clearly a B&G plaque.

The funny thing is, I never encountered the real B&G chips that where used in the movie.
I’ve only saw and handles the knockoffs that do have the same mold, but it’s obviously not B&G.

Does anyone here have ever seen these chips, or where they destroyed ?

Scoob

The plaques are certainly made by B&G. They have the standard mold shape of B&G plaques, and B&G boast of having made them. Here's a photo from the article that was linked to in that other thread:

Photo caption: "A plaque made for the movie Casino Royale. Photo M. D."

I'm somewhat skeptical, however, that the chips were made by B&G. They have a unique mold shape (the crown design around the rim); whoever made these chips made a new mold for them. It's conceivable that B&G made the mold just for the movie and then never used it again; I think it's more likely that Cartamundi made the mold and continued to use it to make replicas for sale to the public.

Here's a close-up from the movie showing the chips:

That said, of course, I can't know any of this for sure, and if you have a source that works for B&G then presumably what they've told you is correct. Maybe B&G made the chips for the movie and also made them for Cartamundi, who then distributed them into the hobby and souvenir market.

 

[CrazyEddie]

I have Bond's keychain!

What is that NCV chip with the dragon?

 

[GianThaMan]

Yes, those chips were made by GPI. If you look at them closely you can see from the well-placed decals, machined edges, and variation of JAV spots that they’re B&G-made.

The plaques were also made by GPI, and there are actually a few that exist in the wild which sell for absurd prices. I’ve never personally seen any of the authentic chips in the wild though.

 

[mipevi]

@CrazyEddie it's just a BG sample chip (Premium line).

 

[CrazyEddie]

Yes, those chips were made by GPI. If you look at them closely you can see from the well-placed decals, machined edges, and variation of JAV spots that they’re B&G-made.

The retail sets offered by Cartamundi look like they have the same spots (and by implication the same molds), albeit not necessarily the same colors:

Granted, it's hard to say for sure from just low-res pictures.

Source: https://www.jamesbondlifestyle.com/product/cartamundi-casino-royale-poker-cards-and-chips , which also claims that Cartamundi was commissioned to make the movie props. They could have outsourced the manufacturing to B&G, or as @BGinGA suggested here, Copag. Or China, although maybe not back in 2006.

 

[scoobycheesydoooo]

The retail sets offered by Cartamundi look like they have the same spots (and by implication the same molds), albeit not necessarily the same colors:

Granted, it's hard to say for sure from just low-res pictures.

Source: https://www.jamesbondlifestyle.com/product/cartamundi-casino-royale-poker-cards-and-chips , which also claims that Cartamundi was commissioned to make the movie props. They could have outsourced the manufacturing to B&G, or as @BGinGA suggested here, Copag. Or China, although maybe not back in 2006.

I still think it’s B&G that made the chips too, it adds up much better than the orginal story that cartamundi made them. It’s the mold, that B&G obviously owns too. When GPI made the plaques, they also made the chips.
Obviously its a very limited amount, and only what was needed in those scenes where they were used, the only thing is that the chips never made it to the collector scene. I never saw them, its kinda a mystery.

 

[GianThaMan]

The retail sets offered by Cartamundi look like they have the same spots (and by implication the same molds), albeit not necessarily the same colors:

Granted, it's hard to say for sure from just low-res pictures.

Source: https://www.jamesbondlifestyle.com/product/cartamundi-casino-royale-poker-cards-and-chips , which also claims that Cartamundi was commissioned to make the movie props. They could have outsourced the manufacturing to B&G, or as @BGinGA suggested here, Copag. Or China, although maybe not back in 2006.

Yes, I’ve seen some of the Cartamundi chips but you can tell just from the edges that they aren’t machined or held to the same standards BG does. I’m fairly confident the chips used in the movie were separately made by BG.

 

[CrazyEddie]

Yes, I’ve seen some of the Cartamundi chips but you can tell just from the edges that they aren’t machined or held to the same standards BG does.

Fair enough. I have no doubt you could hold a substandard chip and tell that it's not a B&G.

I’m fairly confident the chips used in the movie were separately made by BG.

... but how can you tell that? Have you held one of the movie props? (If so, lucky you!) I'm not sure a movie still by itself would show enough detail to know it's of B&G quality and not whoever Cartamundi used for their retail stuff.

 

[warma]

I find it odd B&G, making all the other chips in the movie and having a deal, would outsource the main event chips.

 

[GianThaMan]

... but how can you tell that? Have you held one of the movie props? (If so, lucky you!) I'm not sure a movie still by itself would show enough detail to know it's of B&G quality and not whoever Cartamundi used for their retail stuff.

This is a big reason:

I find it odd B&G, making all the other chips in the movie and having a deal, would outsource the main event chips.

And also this:

If you look at them closely you can see from the well-placed decals, machined edges, and variation of JAV spots

None of which is a sure thing, but is enough evidence that I feel fairly confident in my assessment.

Oh, and also, I read it in this article, which has an interview with an employee from B&G, so I doubt it's incorrect:
https://www.bienpublic.com/edition-...-secrets-les-mieux-gardes-de-la-cote-viticole
Which also has some very nice pictures of B&G chips and their manufacturing process, if you're interested. The article has been paywalled since I read it though so you'd need to bypass that to read it now, or check the wayback machine.

 

[warma]

Best I can do- no screenshots allowed.

 

[CrazyEddie]

I find it odd B&G, making all the other chips in the movie and having a deal, would outsource the main event chips.

But did they make all the other chips? And were they the ones to be outsourcing anything, or were they instead outsourced to?

At least one source ( https://www.jamesbondlifestyle.com/product/cartamundi-casino-royale-poker-cards-and-chips ) credits Cartamundi with making all the prop chips and prop cards, and provides enough details to be convincing, although I do suspect that Cartamundi may have outsourced the chipmaking to someone else (perhaps B&G). The plaques were definitely made by B&G, which suggests Cartamundi got the commission to handle the whole thing but in turn contracted with B&G to do the plaques, and maybe therefore also the chips.

 

[davislane]

Hi,

I just got off the phone with someone, and while we were talking he told me that the casino royale chips were made by GPI, which is the first time I hear that.
It’s a legit source, I can’t tell any details who I talked too, but rest assure its a person who works for them (at the moment).

I’ve always thought, cartamundi was the actual manufacturer of these chips but its not. Not for the chips in the movie, yes they are knockoffs at the market, aka Chinese replicas etc. But its all making sense now, as the original chips have B&G JAV mold, in all scenes even at the Bahamas beach club scene. Here is also a plaque shown below that is clearly a B&G plaque.

The funny thing is, I never encountered the real B&G chips that where used in the movie.
I’ve only saw and handled the knockoffs that do have the same mold, but it’s obviously not B&G.

Does anyone here have ever seen these chips, or where they destroyed ?

Scoob

can they supply any evidence as such? like some pics not from the movie?

If GPI are comfortable promoting the fact that they made the plaques why not the chips also?

 

[GianThaMan]

But did they make all the other chips? And were they the ones to be outsourcing anything, or were they instead outsourced to?

At least one source ( https://www.jamesbondlifestyle.com/product/cartamundi-casino-royale-poker-cards-and-chips ) credits Cartamundi with making all the prop chips and prop cards, and provides enough details to be convincing, although I do suspect that Cartamundi may have outsourced the chipmaking to someone else (perhaps B&G). The plaques were definitely made by B&G, which suggests Cartamundi got the commission to handle the whole thing but in turn contracted with B&G to do the plaques, and maybe therefore also the chips.

The Cartamundi chips released to the public aren't even in the right denominations, and there are no sources for their "evidence".

 

[davislane]

The Cartamundi chips released to the public aren't even in the right denominations, and there are no sources for their "evidence".

https://cartamundi.com/en/cases/copag-poker/

It states there they "made" everything for casino royale.

 

[CrazyEddie]

The Cartamundi chips released to the public aren't even in the right denominations, and there are no sources for their "evidence".

And in fact here's some evidence to the contrary: an eBay listing for "RARE Unopened Cartamundi Casino Royale James Bond Luxury Poker Set 007 Movie" i.e. one of the public retail sets, showing that the chips are made in China. So Cartamundi definitely didn't use B&G to make the retail chips.

Source: https://www.ebay.com/itm/255173105213

I'm not yet firmly persuaded, though, that the movie props were made by B&G. I'm not saying they weren't, I just don't think it's been well-established that they were. The insider information that Scoob provided here is pretty good evidence, I just wish it could be more detailed (and I respect that it can't be for privacy reasons).

Edit: Adding the other pictures from the auction to preserve them for posterity

 

[CrazyEddie]

... of course, that listing could also be a fake, it doesn't match the picture from the jamesbondlifestyle page, although that page could be inaccurate, so...

wheels within wheels
fakes within fakes

 

[GianThaMan]

https://cartamundi.com/en/cases/copag-poker/

It states there they "made" everything for casino royale.

Well, that can't be wholly accurate because we know for a fact that BG at least made the plaques for the movie, so you can't trust them. Or at least you know they contracted BG for some of it.

 

[davislane]

Well, that can't be wholly accurate because we know for a fact that BG at least made the plaques for the movie, so you can't trust them. Or at least you know they contracted BG for some of it.

Hence the "made" comment. Without any further "evidence", the manufacturer of the movie chips is heavily in the "yet to be determined" category. The mystery continues