Getting Players to Pay Attention (1 Viewer)

Al Azouri

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I've been mulling around this idea:

I'm thinking of implementing the following side action in order to keep all players more engaged in the action even when they are not in the hand.

Based on a 1/2 game
  • Each player is assigned a number from 0 to 9 at the beginning of the night. (if it's only 6 players it's 0 to 5, etc.)
  • Once the hand is over you add up all the cards on the board (face cards count as 10) and whatever the last digit is, that player gets 10% of the pot up to $5. (It's like a side rake)
  • Each player is responsible for doing their own math and must call it in order to get paid.

Thoughts?
Any other schemes to accomplish my goal?
 
I'd rather just tell everyone no cellphones while in a hand and toss in a shot clock then that....
 
What's the primary concern? ...too much side chatter/conversation?
I little of everything, side chatter, continuing to talk about previous hands, cell phones. I’m not looking to do anything punitive. I just want to make it more fun for those not in the hand.
 
I'd rather just tell everyone no cellphones while in a hand and toss in a shot clock then that....
I’ve considered the shot clock but it’s a lot to manage on every hand. What is it you don’t like about the idea? Is it that the winner has to pay a fee? Is it that it can slow down the game? Something else? Just trying to thought experiment this thing before I try it.
 
You may want to be careful as this could end up ruining the game as in people may slowly drop out of your games.

Logivity of home games thrive on a friendly social aspect and interactions. Killing that may end up hurting your home game in the long run.

Just my personal thoughts.
 
If your problem is people not being engaged we had the same problem. We realized we needed to speed up the game and get rid of cell phones or penalize their distraction. What you are proposing will not only slow the game down but just make it more complicated when you are already battling for peoples’ attention. Plus yeah it also doesn’t seem fair to the winner.

For us we penalize anyone who is on their phone or not reacting immediately when the action got to them. First time warning, second $.50, and $1 thereafter. Once we got a couple people to engage more and the game sped up then all of a sudden everyone was engaged again and it just all became much easier to control.
 
I’ve considered the shot clock but it’s a lot to manage on every hand. What is it you don’t like about the idea? Is it that the winner has to pay a fee? Is it that it can slow down the game? Something else? Just trying to thought experiment this thing before I try it.
My views. You are adding math to a situation to make it smoother, which will in my mind make it harder. You'll have some enjoy it, some hate it. I wouldn't go to a game that had this function. You'll need to have the dealer cut out the pot. You'll start arguments over splits or the bonus when it's not evened up. It's just kinda more bells and whistles when I just wanna play cards.

A shot clock is easy. Use a timer, dealer presses it. It goes off, hand is dead. Nothing says you need to warn them, and any quick action there is no real reason to start it. If someone is ponder there action, you turn it on for 30 seconds.

We do a no cell phone rule at the table if you are in a hand. If it's in your hand when it's being dealt, your hand is dead once the final card is down unless there is a reason your vocally saying you need it out. "Finishing up a text to the wife" totally fine. It makes them at least focus on what's happening instead of us getting there attention playing a game. If the TV is making people have a hard time paying attention, we turn it up or down to assist. Or off if it's too much of a battle. Hosts make the game go, and sometimes that means being a ball buster to a point.

I mean, what's to stop me from showing up, folding every hand unless it's top then, but call in my ten percent every time I hit it..... it'll make me a rich guy....

I'd honestly say, if this is the issue, you need to find more serious players, or adjust the standard of your game into social/less worry about poker. It's like a good cocktail, it's all about the proper mix in a home game that sticks around. Too social or sweet and it's unbareable, too hard or too much alcohol, and it's not enjoyable .
 
I wouldn't want to give or take money from a pot I had no stake in. Personally, I wouldn't want to win a big pot where I risked my stack only to give someone a $5 participation tip for paying attention. It's not really about the money as $5 bucks isn't much, but it's really their duty as players to be engaged and shouldn't require a monetary bonus. If they don't want to be attentive I'd try and expand the player pool.
 
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I'm thinking of implementing the following side action in order to keep all players more engaged in the action even when they are not in the hand.

Do you play strictly NLHE or a mix of games?
 
ya this is a really bad idea. please do not do this. I dont go to casinos specifically b/c they take rake, I sure in the hell will not go to a home game that acts in the same manner and dont even have hot dealers showing cleavage.
 
Thank you for all your insights. My game has been running great for over ten years. I think I won’t mess with it. At least not in this way.
 
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ya this is a really bad idea. please do not do this. I dont go to casinos specifically b/c they take rake, I sure in the hell will not go to a home game that acts in the same manner and dont even have hot dealers showing cleavage.
One big difference here. The rake is not going to the house. It’s being immediately paid back to the players. And yeah, the dealers don’t show cleavage - thank goodness.
 
For us we penalize anyone who is ... not reacting immediately when the action got to them.

Honestly, this is a far bigger issue than phones or side conversations. There are really only three things I hate at home games:

1. Tanking
2. Hollywooding
3. Holly-Tanking

This takes up most of the bullshit time, makes people lose interest, and is what makes hands take forever. I'll admit, I lose interest at my own hosted games when people start dicking around and taking forever to act. For f*ck's sake, we're not playing for the WSOP championship here, it's a home game with cheep blinds, beers, and friends.

Sh*t or get off the pot! And my players know to give me a hard time if I'm wasting time on my phone (or otherwise)!!
 
I have run a game for around 15 years now and have had lots of issues like these. Obviously, cell phones wasn’t the main one back then but there’s been plenty of people at my game whose main interests were drinking beers, having a good time and then also play a little poker. And as such they are not really interested in improving their game beyond that. Since poker isn’t the main focus of the evening they won’t recognize the problem of a slow game which makes it hard to adress. In my experience, most fit that description.

All though people like that, who might not play well is good for the game financially, I much prefer to play with likeminded who enjoy engaging in (relatively) high level poker thinking, talking about hands etc. Since most have families now and we don’t get to play that often I wanna make the most out of each time, experiencewise. Besides, with the stakes we play for, losing nights rarely exceeds what one would spend on a night out.

I’ve been lucky enough to end up with a group of 6 people like that. But there’s been plenty of others come and go before that. And I don’t really see how I could’ve ”molded” them into ”real” poker players.

The above concerns my regular cash game. I do recognize the need to put up with a lot more when organizing tournaments in order to get the amount of people needed. But I rarely do tournaments.

Long story short: I wouldn’t do what you suggested in the OP, I think the ones who are there to play poker will get annoyed about getting their pots shortened and the others will have another difficult thing that they will have to pay attention to, which will slow the game down even more.
 
Stop playing NLHE. Players will be in more hands, meaning more action and more fun. Problem solved
 
Not paying attention?

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I’m not sure how the OP post would fix the problem. It takes two seconds to add five cards.
 
I wouldn't want to give or take money from a pot I had no stake in. Personally, I wouldn't want to win a big pot where I risked my stack only to give someone a $5 participation tip for paying attention. It's not really about the money as $5 bucks isn't much, but it's really their duty as players to be engaged and shouldn't require a monetary bonus. If they don't want to be attentive I'd try and expand the player pool.

This x1000. No way I want $5 of a pot I worked to win handed to somebody else.
 
This x1000. No way I want $5 of a pot I worked to win handed to somebody else.
You’re forgetting that on the flip side you are making that back from others who win pots. As log as everyone is paying attention to the same degree it’s a wash. If you are paying more attention than others it’s extra chips in your pocket.
 
You’re forgetting that on the flip side you are making that back from others who win pots. As log as everyone is paying attention to the same degree it’s a wash. If you are paying more attention than others it’s extra chips in your pocket.
It's not a wash. I'm paying attention to poker, not adding random things up. But, as we're beating a dead horse here, I didn't see anyone digging the idea too much, so you know our group consensus
 

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