Foxwoods 2/5 PLO (this is a great game....) (1 Viewer)

I put the hand into the PLO sim, you have about 15% current equity and about 17% to win outright vs top 60% of hands.

Your margin shrinks to about 11.5% against 1 hand having a 910xx combo. And shrinks to 9% if two people have 10s in their hands.
 
I put the hand into the PLO sim, you have about 15% current equity and about 17% to win outright vs top 60% of hands.

Your margin shrinks to about 11.5% against 1 hand having a 910xx combo. And shrinks to 9% if two people have 10s in their hands.

Let's say I knew that my equity was 12.5% at the table, or 1 in 8.

How would I do the math to determine my next action when facing the $165 bet on the flop? Do I evaluate just the $165 or consider that the rest is probably going in too and allow for that?

(Jamming is indeed easier ldo)
 
Let's say I knew that my equity was 12.5% at the table, or 1 in 8.

How would I do the math to determine my next action when facing the $165 bet on the flop? Do I evaluate just the $165 or consider that the rest is probably going in too and allow for that?

(Jamming is indeed easier ldo)
Id try to determine how often just the $165 is going in before you see the river card. Its not zero and its not 100% of the time either. Id say 2/3 times at least youre shipping the entire $305
 
2/3 sounds about right - so take 2/3 of $305, or basically $200?
I mean that more often than not, youre going to be risking your entire stack, you can calculate the entire $305. If the CO and BTN come in, youre going to be going 6 ways to a showdown, the implied odds are that CO and BTN are sticking their 300~ish in. a $2k pot

Im excited to see how this ends.
 
The side pot question dominates the math. Hero is getting fine odds to play the main pot, but is generally getting hammered on the side pot by AAxx or KKxx. Yes, hero should pay attention to the side pot and how many people are participating.
 
I'm thinking CO has KK or AA and BTN has at least pair with a redraw so I pretty much need to win the main, which probably made this a fold for the $165 then?
 
If you win the main, you always win the side pot. Always.

I know, but I'm saying I can't count on losing the main and winning the side given CO has AA or KK and BTN has at least 2 pair. That's why I'm coming around to thinking this should've been a fold to the $165.

I think it's a call of SB and BB were in those spots with bigger stacks - I could count with some regularity to lose the main versus CO and BTN but win the side in that scenario.
 
RESULTS:

Foxwoods 2/5 PLO. This is a great game - best I've seen in a long, long time at this property.

SB is a maniac and has been rebuying for $200 and sticking it in with the thinnest of draws.

BB is a maniac and has been rebuying for $200 and sticking parts of it in blind. Top two pair at showdown is a huge hand for him.

UTG is a kid that is trying to play a TAG style but is putting his money in too frequently because he's friendly with BB.

Hero is UTG+1. I've been in the game for 2 hours, and I've only shown down one hand (flopped bottom pair, checked behind on A river 3-handed and lost to a rivered set of aces). SB and BB think I'm a nit. Nobody else at the table knows me. I haven't been in a hand with SB or BB yet but I've gotten UTG to fold what I'm sure was a better hand and didn't get called in 2 other hands by CO and BTN where I turned or rivered the nuts. Not my usual overactive boisterous self.

CO is a hold'em player and is way overvaluing hands like AA and KK preflop. He also overvalues sets (he's lost with middle set twice and had to rebuy each time). I think this is his first time playing PLO in the casino but he's clearly played it in a home game or lower casino stakes - he understands the basics. He just won a nice pot with a flopped set and rivered the boat.

BTN is an older Asian guy that regularly plays 5/10 NLHE and is hyper aggressive but at this table he's a competent TAG. Most dangerous player at the table in my opinon.

There is one other player at the table (UTG +2) but he's already looking like he's going to fold when the hands are dealt. The other 2 players are up and walking around and not dealt in.

Stack sizes (rounded off):
SB: $250
BB: $260
UTG: $275
Hero: $415
CO: $400
BTN: $415

SB and BB post, UTG straddles $10. Hero is dealt Kd-Qd-Qs-9c.

Hero makes it $30, which is technically more than than the pot size, but the dealer is from the table games upstairs and doesn't know how to count the pot at PLO, and nobody else cares about the extra $3. CO calls, BTN calls, SB calls. BB hasn't looked at his hand yet (he declares this and I'm 95% sure it's accurate) and makes it $110 to go. UTG immediately cuts out chips and calls.

Hero calls, CO calls, BTN calls, SB calls. Note that CO is not calling this without either KKxx or AAxxx. Zero percent chance he doesn't have one of these hands, and I think the entire table knows this at this point.

Flop ($660) Jc-8c-4d

SB jams for $140. BB (still playing his hand blind) jams for $150. UTG tanks for about 30 seconds and jams for $165.

Pot is ($1,115). Hero has $305 left in his stack. CO has $290, BTN has $300.

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Hero calls $165. Pot is ($1,280).

CO tanks for a long time (60 seconds maybe - which is an eternity at this table that plays very, very fast). CO calls $165, making the pot ($1,445).

BTN very deliberately counts his chips, checks his hand, and announces all-in for $305.

SB, BB, and UTG are already all-in. Pot is ($1,750). Remaining action is $140 to Hero and $125 to CO.

Hero immediately calls (pretty much impossible to not call $140 to win a $2K pot), feeling like he's committed and that this is his best chance to win a huge pot tonight with runner-runner boat, runner-runner flush, or any non-club ten. (OK, it sounded better in my head before I said it out loud). CO immediately calls. Everyone is all-in and the pot is ($2,015)

Turn ($2,015) Jc-8c-4d-9d

River ($2,015) Jc-8c-4d-9d-Th

Hero immediately tables the nuts (straight to the K).

SB digustingly shows 3 pair (J98) and mucks his remaining card.
BB tables his hand and discovers that he had A442r for a set of 4s.
UTG tables AdKh9cTs for an open-ended straight draw that ended up being 2 pair (T9).
CO shows us AsAc and mucks his remaining cards. Says he had nut flush draw (clubs, obv)
BTN had 8x8x7c6c and announces "straight" but his bested by hero's nut straight.

One helluva table. Both queens seem to be out there but I hit one of my two clean outs (Td gives me best flush with Ad unsuited in UTG's hand and Th obviously scoop card).

I shared this because it demonstrates one of the more fucked up aspects of Pot Limit Omaha - being pot committed at shallow PLO tables happens remarkably easily. Without having a really clear plan pre-flop for a hand at an active table, you can find yourself putting chips in the middle and wondering why afterwards.

Who was the biggest donkey (other than the BB that played his hand blind)?
 
I'm struggling to find a truly bad call among all of those hands (aside from Hero's hee-hawing, of course).

Another fun aspect of PLO versus NLHE as I heard limon explain once (paraphrasing): in NLHE, when two guys get the money in, usually one has made a pretty clear mistake at some point whereas in PLO it's pretty common that everyone should be in the pot. It's like a floor man comes around once an hour or so and says, "Okay, everyone's all in!"
 
I think if I jam pre both the blinds call (obv), CO calls with AA (obv), and UTG calls with broadway wrap cards. Pretty confident that BTN would've folded to a jam pre. If someone else jammed pre I'm probably folding but if I was leading the action instead of calling along, so be it.
 

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