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Couldn't find a thread regarding this and hoped it could be cleared up simply. I have zero experience with limit and was interested in starting some limit games with my crew.

My question is regarding the betting process in a $1/$2 fixed limit game Holdem/Omaha (6-handed usually). Obviously pre-deal, Player 1 is the SB ($.50), and Player 2 is the BB ($1). Bets pre- and post-flop are in increments of $1, while turn and river are $2.

After they receive their hole cards, my understanding is that Player 3 can Fold, Call the $1, or raise to $2. Then Player 4 can fold, call or raise it by another $1 to make it $3 and so on until capped at $4 (a bet and 3 raises). Is this correct?

If so, I have that much right. If not, please advise.

Now, betting after the flop is where I am really unsure. If Player 1 is still in, and wishes to bet the maximum allowed, what amount can he/she bet - $1 or $2 (a raise on the minimum of $1)? In essence, when opening the betting round can you raise in that increment? If you can raise to $2, does the next person make it $3 to complete another raise?

I hope this makes sense as I was wondering how it worked if the pot was $16 pre-flop, and you can only bet in $1 increments on the flop.

Thanks,
Adam
 
Phantom said:
Couldn't find a thread regarding this and hoped it could be cleared up simply. I have zero experience with limit and was interested in starting some limit games with my crew.

My question is regarding the betting process in a $1/$2 fixed limit game Holdem/Omaha (6-handed usually). Obviously pre-deal, Player 1 is the SB ($.50), and Player 2 is the BB ($1). Bets pre- and post-flop are in increments of $1, while turn and river are $2.

After they receive their hole cards, my understanding is that Player 3 can Fold, Call the $1, or raise to $2. Then Player 4 can fold, call or raise it by another $1 to make it $3 and so on until capped at $4 (a bet and 3 raises). Is this correct?

If so, I have that much right. If not, please advise.

Now, betting after the flop is where I am really unsure. If Player 1 is still in, and wishes to bet the maximum allowed, what amount can he/she bet - $1 or $2 (a raise on the minimum of $1)? In essence, when opening the betting round can you raise in that increment? If you can raise to $2, does the next person make it $3 to complete another raise?

I hope this makes sense as I was wondering how it worked if the pot was $16 pre-flop, and you can only bet in $1 increments on the flop.

Thanks,
Adam
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On the deal and flop you can bet or raise $1 only. Turn & river bet or raise $2 only.
Usually limit is 3 raises per betting round. Heads up, no limit on number of raises
 
$1 increments on the flop. He can not raise if there is no bet ahead of him.
$2 increments on turn and river.
 
Thanks @Jambine and @moose , appreciate that :-). It just seemed weird betting $1 into a $12 to $16 pot, but I guess that is limit.
 
Phantom said:
Bets pre- and post-flop are in increments of $1, while turn and river are $2.
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It may be more useful to think of it this way: First two streets are $1; all remaining streets are $2. The reason I say it that way is because in games like 7-card Stud there's more than 4 rounds of betting.
Phantom said:
It just seemed weird betting $1 into a $12 to $16 pot, but I guess that is limit.
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It is a little strange when compared to NL/PL games, but that's kinda the point - many people host limit games to introduce different variants of poker that folks may not be as accustomed to. The limited nature of betting helps to keep the game a little bit lighter/more relaxed, gives folks a bit more time to learn the games, and prevents runaway losses from occurring as easily.
 
Psypher1000 said:
It may be more useful to think of it this way: First two streets are $1; all remaining streets are $2. The reason I say it that way is because in games like 7-card Stud there's more than 4 rounds of betting.

It is a little strange when compared to NL/PL games, but that's kinda the point - many people host limit games to introduce different variants of poker that folks may not be as accustomed to. The limited nature of betting helps to keep the game a little bit lighter/more relaxed, gives folks a bit more time to learn the games, and prevents runaway losses from occurring as easily.
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Thanks mate. I did a few practice hands with how my crew might play and the pots were $12 pre-flop, which is about 4x what we do in our 25c/25c NLHE games. Maybe 50c/$1 is more our style. :-)
 
Limit hold'em is also much more of a drawing game than NLHE, in part due to the often massive pot odds one is getting. Starting hand selection and how to play those hands varies quite a bit, too. Different animal, for sure.

Most inexperienced players are calling stations and play too many hands (usually limping), which sharks can easily exploit by pounding the pot with superior starting hands, made hands, and strong draws. Bluffs are a much larger part of the game than most NLHE players realize, too -- especially when both players have missed. Knowing when to bet/raise for thin value (winning an extra bet) or when to fold (saving a bet) is crucial to a winning session. When you can't shove for somebody''s stack, every bet matters.
 
Phantom said:
Thanks mate. I did a few practice hands with how my crew might play and the pots were $12 pre-flop, which is about 4x what we do in our 25c/25c NLHE games. Maybe 50c/$1 is more our style. :)
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I don't know if there is any truth to this, but I recall a conversation with one of the floor people at our local casino, who is very in tuned with the aspects of poker and profit. She indicated that limit games tend to produce more long term variance. She said people tend to Lose more in the long run playing limit, van with no limit games. I don't have much experience with limit, but I can see that if you were playing every single pot and you never fold, only one person in the hand can win
 
Phantom said:
Thanks mate. I did a few practice hands with how my crew might play and the pots were $12 pre-flop, which is about 4x what we do in our 25c/25c NLHE games. Maybe 50c/$1 is more our style. :)
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If you're starting with 200 big blinds in your 25c/25c NLHE game, that's a $50 buy in. In Limit, the standard buy in is 25 big bets. So a $1/$2 would give you that equivalent $50 buy in. I don't think you have to drop all the way down to 50c/$1. That's a very small game. In Limit, your stack is not at risk on every hand and the up/down swings are much more gradual over the course of the night.

However, your stakes could also be dictated by your chips. Are you planning to use quarters, 50c, or $1's? Generally Limit poker is a 1 chip/denomination game.
 
To expand on my last comment...

You generally want to play a 2 chip / 4 chip structure at a minimum with a single denomination, meaning you want to bet 2 chips pre flop and flop and 4 chips on the turn and river. 1 chip / 2 chip structure is not as good.

So...

50c/$1 Limit would use 25c chip
$1/$2 Limit would use 50c chip
$2/$4 Limit would use $1 chip (my game)
Etc...
 
Trihonda said:
I don't know if there is any truth to this, but I recall a conversation with one of the floor people at our local casino, who is very in tuned with the aspects of poker and profit. She indicated that limit games tend to produce more long term variance. She said people tend to Lose more in the long run playing limit, van with no limit games. I don't have much experience with limit, but I can see that if you were playing every single pot and you never fold, only one person in the hand can win
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I'm having trouble seeing how this could be possible unless you are a complete calling station like @BGinGA said. Which would indicate playing too many hands, which would lead too losing your stack much faster in NL vs FL. Which just indicates immaturity as a player, most of which are playing FL vs NL where available in the first place. More hands are definitely going to showdown or at least to the river in FL, which may lure a more inexperienced player to stay in longer chasing hands. So while it's possible the Long term losses are higher I think it's probably more result of the caliber of player vs the structure
 
BGinGA said:
Most inexperienced players are calling stations and play too many hands (usually limping), which sharks can easily exploit by pounding the pot with superior starting hands, made hands, and strong draws. Bluffs are a much larger part of the game than most NLHE players realize, too -- especially when both players have missed. Knowing when to bet/raise for thin value (winning an extra bet) or when to fold (saving a bet) is crucial to a winning session. When you can't shove for somebody''s stack, every bet matters.
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Bullshit. Don't listen to him. It's only a lousy $1 or $2 -- you can keep throwing those out there all night.
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I like limit poker...
:cool:
 
RowdyRawhide said:
.... unless you are a complete calling station like @BGinGA said. Which would indicate playing too many hands, which would lead too losing your stack much faster in NL vs FL. Which just indicates immaturity as a player, most of which are playing FL vs NL where available in the first place. More hands are definitely going to showdown or at least to the river in FL, which may lure a more inexperienced player to stay in longer chasing hands. So while it's possible the Long term losses are higher I think it's probably more result of the caliber of player vs the structure
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Hey, you too. What is this, Mommy Baab's Nursery School?

Don't educate the fishes...

(In my home game, when playing mixed, we played 3/6 limit along with .25/.50 no- or pot-limit. Most games find 2/4 is a better match -- it all depends on your players.)
 
churlbut18 said:
If you're starting with 200 big blinds in your 25c/25c NLHE game, that's a $50 buy in. In Limit, the standard buy in is 25 big bets. So a $1/$2 would give you that equivalent $50 buy in. I don't think you have to drop all the way down to 50c/$1. That's a very small game. In Limit, your stack is not at risk on every hand and the up/down swings are much more gradual over the course of the night.

However, your stakes could also be dictated by your chips. Are you planning to use quarters, 50c, or $1's? Generally Limit poker is a 1 chip/denomination game.
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churlbut18 said:
To expand on my last comment...

You generally want to play a 2 chip / 4 chip structure at a minimum with a single denomination, meaning you want to bet 2 chips pre flop and flop and 4 chips on the turn and river. 1 chip / 2 chip structure is not as good.

So...

50c/$1 Limit would use 25c chip
$1/$2 Limit would use 50c chip
$2/$4 Limit would use $1 chip (my game)
Etc...
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Hello mate, thanks for the advice. I have 25c/$1/$5 at the moment and would depend if I (a) add-on to the set with 25c for a .50/1 limit (b) add-on to the set with $1 for a $1/$2 game and dang the 2/4 chip structure :-), or (c) add a 50c chip to the line-up and probably a $10 for the $1/$2 stakes. Will give it some thought :-), cheers.
 
Did the usual 25c/25c NLHE, and then actually went 50c/$1 limit omaha, which was quite good and enjoyed by all. It generated more action than the NLHE haha.

Now I am thinking that 50c/$1 is the way to go with my crew and will add more 25c to the ensemble. Try for 80 chips per person with $5 chips to make $25/$30 buy-in
Was thinking of creating a 50c chip, but ... I don't reckon we'll ever play $1/$2.
 

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