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I'll try to get some more pictures this week of some bridge size...but the thickness is causing some trouble in the Deckmate Shufflers. They are nearly 8-10 cards thicker than some of our Copaqs, Gemaco, Bee paper and KEM and a few private sets that we use for testing, . It's unlikely you'll see any of these decks in major casinos unless we get a software update.

This makes the 'Poker' size cards feel like monsters. Dealers with small hands would notice a difference for sure in any casino that doesn't use Bridge cards for their poker games. The thickness also leads to some exposed card potential issues. It's slightly harder as far as game protection goes to keep cards held securely the thicker the deck. Think of poker dealers almost holding a double deck pitch game. It's not quite that extreme, but it can be a serious issue for dealers that have become comfortable using standard thickness decks.


The cards feel great...the matte texture is smooth, not slick and shiny. One thing I love about the finish is that they are smooth enough to move across speedcloth, and 'felt' (the old casino nasty shit that gets in your fingernails), but it's just enough so you can toss the cards where you want. They will stop before flying off the table better than some of these glossy cards on speedcloth.

There are a few little design things....One being the print on the back of the card. In all 4 decks that we are testing, the print on the back is perfectly symmetrical, and identically matching between all of the decks. This makes a difference if a card gets bent, or needs a replacement on a table. They can simply open a new deck, and replace the card without going through the entire deck setup. No logo on the back, no hard design, solid edges. Look great.
The design on the back in simply enough that if there are small marks, they probably won't be seen easily because of the shape and patter of the spades, but it isn't loud. It's pretty simple, basic, something you could expect.

The colors look great also. The red is a bright vibrant red, which is cool because it pops off the clean matte background. The black is similar. Dark, solid, really stands out. The facecards have some blue in them, but it's a darker royal type blue that isn't obnoxious. The matte finish also keeps glare away. I took some of these pictures with a light directly above the table. There is minimal glare, which is one of the reasons I love matte cards more than glossy cards.

The face of the card designs are fun. The detail is really nice, the new index is a good size. Not quite Jumbo, but not small either. The matte finish on the face of the cards is solid also. No gloss anywhere on the cards at all. They are far enough away from the edge of the card, that you shouldn't cover it up when you peel back the card.

All of the facecards have a fun little smirk on them. It's a nice little design touch.

Card for card, they feel incredible. But as a deck they are uncomfortable. I can't believe how thick they are. I don't think you can realize how thick until you compare them directly to a bunch of other casino cards. I'll add some pictures of the Bridge cards when I get to work Tuesday.

I really like these cards, but I HATE the thickness...hate it.
 

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I really like these cards, but I HATE the thickness...hate it.

This has been the mantra for most of us that have tried the Poker size cards. I couldn't go through a whole session of banging out (shuffling/dealing) these cards. There are a lot of good qualities about them but the thickness is almost too much to overcome. However I'm going to give the Bridge size a try just to do my due diligence.
 
I just received the bridge sized cards.

First off, as far as looks, they are a bit more palatable in person but just really not my style

As far as feel....I don’t know if it’s static electricity or what, but these cards want to stick together unlike anything I’ve experienced....and I have almost experienced every card manufacturer. Hopefully additional shuffling and play will improve this. I find the smooth suface to be similar to Cartamundi CCP which, along with Cartamundi Acetates, are the smoothest texture cards I know of.

In my first riffle it was obvious that these are the stiffest cards I own now. Only Gemaco and a set of DalNegros I have are even close but these take the cake.

The card stock feels like quality but not something I would ever choose for playing cards. Possibly this was chosen with card shufflers in mind but I would imagine the stiffness being a complaint of casino dealer who shuffle by hand....especially if they are used to Kems....which are at the polar opposite of the spectrum when it comes to flexiblility.

The font size is the best attribute, but overall all I’m not a fan. I already knew I didn’t like the looks but really didn’t expect them to feel that stiff.
 
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FS cards are already in use with the wpt and I've also seen them on latb I think. Maybe the RFID cards are a different thickness, but I wonder if they have issues with the thickness in their shufflers.
 
The poker cards do not work in the Shufflemaster Ideals. They are better, but hit and miss in the Deckmates.
The bridge size cards work in the deckmates more often after they get broken in a bit.
 
Another issue I have with these cards....the box.

The cardboard divider is shorter than the thickness of a deck so that when you put the cards away the top cards from each deck slide over each other.

Very annoying.

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I actually hate the box, it's too small!

Too small, and the lid is too tight... almost impossible to remove!

But what tilts me the most is the texture. These things are just impossible to deal and frustrating to handle.

After a brief appearance at LTP today, and seeing them universally panned, I'll be reselling all of my sets at a discount. Kind of a bummer too, because I really dig the back art, and the not-so-jumbo pips. Oh well.

I'm sticking with DESjGNs and Fourniers.
 
Too small, and the lid is too tight... almost impossible to remove!

But what tilts me the most is the texture. These things are just impossible to deal and frustrating to handle.

After a brief appearance at LTP today, and seeing them universally panned, I'll be reselling all of my sets at a discount. Kind of a bummer too, because I really dig the back art, and the not-so-jumbo pips. Oh well.

I'm sticking with DESjGNs and Fourniers.

I agree. I hate to say it but I think these are a total bust. I had Gemaco 5 Stars ranked last on my list of cards I’ve tried but these may take that spot. The 5 Stars are cheap feeling but are at least playable. These are practically unplayable. WAY to stiff and the texture was a poor choice. They are difficult to shuffle and to deal. Then the box....

Just seems like these were designed without much input from people that handle cards.
 
Ok, after lots of shuffling and handling the Bridge cards for hours this is what I think.

1: The new card stock is pretty stiff. This is good in the fact that I doubt these cards will ever warp badly. They snap back extremely flat (almost instnatly) after bending them back all the way. After many hours of shuffling and dealing out cards they show little to any wear & tear. Bad in the fact that even after hours of shuffling they are still tough to shuffle and mix very well for me. It is a grind to shuffle these for any long period of time.

2: Very perplexing in that even though the card texture is absolutely slick, as mentioned by others these cards have a strange ability to be so sticky when trying to peel off cards from the top of the deck or shuffling, it defies logic. If you set the deck down with any force they will scatter, but when dealing from the deck or shuffling they want to stick together (weird). I can't see any improvement after hours of shuffling.

3: Yes the box pretty much sucks but lots of card boxes suck. At least the lid isn't going to fall off transporting them around. ;)

4: I'm probably on an island but I like the larger plain fonts, easy to read across the table for sure. The modern style faces I can live with but some of the court cards look odd (QofH for one just looks weird).

Will i use these for games very often, probably not. There are much better options out there. The thickness that plagued the Poker size decks is definitely better but the new stock comes with a lot of other problems. But they are very sturdy cards and would probably last much longer than many other brands.
 
Put them in play for the first time last night. Almost everyone thought they were way too stiff. Switched to Desjgn and then later to Kem and people commented about how much nicer they both felt.

They are the first deck of any manufacturer I have that I consider almost unplayable.
 
I'll try to get some more pictures this week of some bridge size...but the thickness is causing some trouble in the Deckmate Shufflers. They are nearly 8-10 cards thicker than some of our Copaqs, Gemaco, Bee paper and KEM and a few private sets that we use for testing, . It's unlikely you'll see any of these decks in major casinos unless we get a software update.

Software update? What are you talking about? You set the card thickness in deckmate shufflers mechanically.
 
The Poker Size were too thick to run through the deckmates set at their largest thickness.
 
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Software update? What are you talking about? You set the card thickness in deckmate shufflers mechanically.

I should clarify. It was being tested for a double deck game. So 2 decks, were too thick to run through the deckmates at the largest thickness for a double deck game. Not a single deck. So picture the extra thickness of a single deck compared to a Bee, and double it for a double deck game.

They are so thick, that it keeps popping the lid up, and as soon as that happens, it red light flashes, and pauses the process.
 
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2: Very perplexing in that even though the card texture is absolutely slick, as mentioned by others these cards have a strange ability to be so sticky when trying to peel off cards from the top of the deck or shuffling, it defies logic. If you set the deck down with any force they will scatter, but when dealing from the deck or shuffling they want to stick together (weird). I can't see any improvement after hours of shuffling.
They are the Bud Jones of cards. Slick and suction-y at the same time. I was not a fan.
 
I don't know if any of your have been watching coverage of the Super High Roller Bowl on PokerGo, but they are using these cards. The cameras aren't doing them any favors, I still think they are pretty unappealing to look at.
 
I don't know if any of your have been watching coverage of the Super High Roller Bowl on PokerGo, but they are using these cards. The cameras aren't doing them any favors, I still think they are pretty unappealing to look at.

I’m actually watching day 3 right now. I do like the look of the PokerGo backs more than the WPT backs, but yeah, the faces are still hideous.
 
I've got a bridge size setup on the way that I am making @brains613 use for our game. We will offer up our thoughts after we put some mileage on the cards.
 
Finally got my two bridge setups today. Since everyone already covered what's wrong with these, I'll keep my review short:

At least I know what my brother's getting for his birthday next month.
 
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If the Bridge cards were made of the same texture material (albeit thinner), but had the same texture and feel of the Poker size, I think I'd really like them. I actually like the artwork, and the new size index.
 
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If the Bridge cards were made of the same stock (albeit thinner), but had the same texture and feel of the Poker size, I think I'd really like them. I actually like the artwork, and the new size index.
It's a gaddamn shame. The texture is so incredibly bad. None of my other setup feel at all like it.
 
Unanimous consensus this weekend (including myself) at Piss'd N Broke meetup was

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for both Poker size & Bridge size Faded Spade cards, including comments such as "they feel like cement". Only positive comments were a couple of people like the back pattern. Overall a total bust with the meetup crowd.
 
If the bridge size cards were the thickness of the bridge deck, but texture of the poker deck, I think I would REALLY LOVE them... but I can’t
 
They are so stiff I almost feel like the card stock was a mistake and not what was originally selected. I just can’t imagine anyone preferring cards that stiff.

Either that or they really didnt put much thought into it. The box makes me think this even more. Poor choices in material and design.
 
Overall a total bust with the meetup crowd.

I was part of the crowd that wasn't a fan. I have no problem with the design. The feel is okay, a little slick but playable. The biggest problem for me, like others, is the thick stiff stock they're made from. A night of shuffling these is going to give you Popeye forearms, and this is from a guy who used to routinely play with Modianos.
 
I'm afraid after 2 tries, poker & bridge cards, unless they are giving them away I won't be spending anymore money on these cards. I applaud them for trying to do something different & maybe they are only aiming for card room business that have auto shufflers, but I don't see any self dealt games wanting to mussel up and shuffle these cards for any length of time.
 
I mentioned the stiffness of the cards and the dopey box on their FB page a few weeks back and got the same explanation. Their marketing strategy is puzzling. They seem to be wanting to leverage their usage in some sanctioned televised tournaments as a way to sell to the general public. Problem is they seemed to develop a card specially designed for commercial casino use with card shufflers. They are practically unusable for hand shuffling.

They claim this is to work with card shufflers but Kem, who’s cards are literally on the far opposite end of the stiffness spectrum have been used in casino card shufflers for years. You would think the shuffler companies would design their units to run on the most common card stock (Kem) used in casino play...not some new design.

I personally don’t think we will be seeing Faded Spade after a year or two. I don’t wish them bad mojo but I fear they are committed to a flawed business model and design. Their controversial (borderline hideous) artwork isn’t something that will help them either
 

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