Exposed card during deal, what to do? (1 Viewer)

[slisk250]

The tournament I busted out of last weekend was self dealt. I hate that. Early on in the first round, the dealer is sending cards from one side of the table and my first card is exposed to everyone as it landed face up in the middle of the table :3h. before another card is tossed we stopped the action. I think what happened after had at least one error but I said nothing. I was in middle position.

Without explaining what happened just yet, let's have the experts chime in.

What is the correct way to fix this dealer error through to the flop being dealt.

 

[jbutler]

The tournament I busted out of last weekend was self dealt. I hate that. Early on in the first round, the dealer is sending cards from one side of the table and my first card is exposed to everyone as it landed face up in the middle of the table :3h. before another card is tossed we stopped the action. I think what happened after had at least one error but I said nothing. I was in middle position.

Without explaining what happened just yet, let's have the experts chime in.

What is the correct way to fix this dealer error through to the flop being dealt.

Easy: continue dealing everyone's hole cards, collect your 3h, give you what would have been the burn and the 3h becomes the burn. Dealer announces that the 3h is the burn as he/she spreads the flop. Everything continues as normal from this point.

 

[BGinGA]

Card remains exposed, and is replaced after all other cards have been dealt. Exposed card becomes the burn card for the flop.

Only if the exposed card is the first or second card dealt does it create a misdeal.

 

[slisk250]

Where is the 3h as the pre flop betting round takes place.

 

[bentax1978]

Where is the 3h as the pre flop betting round takes place.

Typically we'd leave it on the top of the deck (exposed) to be used as the burn card, as a reminder of what card it was that was exposed. Once the preflop betting is complete, we'd burn the exposed card and deal out the flop.

 

[BGinGA]

On top of the deck stub.

 

[slisk250]

Correct. But that isn't what happened.

 

[bentax1978]

Correct. But that isn't what happened.

I figured, otherwise you wouldn't have started a thread

 

[xxmurrxx]

Use it as the burn card. I guess it would depend on the house rules.. Been in games where if pre it would be a re-deal.

 

[bivey]

Our local games all work this way:

When it's your first card, we call a misdeal and reshuffle. If it's your second card, we make it the burn and the card is replaced after all the hands are dealt. The burn becomes your card, your exposed card becomes the burn.

 

[slisk250]

We talked about it later and I argued the card should have been placed back on top of the deck face up immediately after it was retrieved. The dealer set the deck in full view of players with no burn card on top of it. His "burn" was just turning the 3h face down once betting was finished. Then he quickly burned another card and dealt the flop before anybody could stop him. Others chimed in, I had crap hole cards and went for a drink while they sorted it out. I should have stayed to see what happened. I sat down, it was resolved and I mucked my crap.

 

[bivey]

We talked about it later and I argued the card should have been placed back on top of the deck face up immediately after it was retrieved. The dealer set the deck in full view of players with no burn card on top of it. His "burn" was just turning the 3h face down once betting was finished. Then he quickly burned another card and dealt the flop before anybody could stop him. Others chimed in, I had crap hole cards and went for a drink while they sorted it out. I should have stayed to see what happened. I sat down, it was resolved and I mucked my crap.

Eh, home game. smile and move on. It's all random.

 

[thorwilliam]

Card remains exposed, and is replaced after all other cards have been dealt. Exposed card becomes the burn card for the flop.

Only if the exposed card is the first or second card dealt does it create a misdeal.

I think where I play its only a misdeal if the person at the button's first card is exposed, because then he would get two cards in a row from the deck if the exposed card was exchanged with the burn card.

 

[atomiktoaster]

We just play it as a misdeal. Doesn't happen enough to worry about whether or not you can use it as a burn card. Grab the second deck and get on with things.

 

[lnlver]

Or you could switch the game to 7 card stud.

I think where I play its only a misdeal if the person at the button's first card is exposed, because then he would get two cards in a row from the deck if the exposed card was exchanged with the burn card.

Actually, the dealer can get two cards in a row if he accidentally flips his second card when dealing.

 

[bentax1978]

Here's my suggestion.

As soon as one card is accidentally flipped, the hand automatically switches to blackjack, with the dealer that (mis)dealt the hand playing the role of the house. To tilt the odds in the players favor, as a penalty for the dealer's misdeal, the players can look at their cards and choose to bet between one and five big blinds on their blackjack hand.

 

[thorwilliam]

Or you could switch the game to 7 card stud.



Actually, the dealer can get two cards in a row if he accidentally flips his second card when dealing.

But in that case he will only keep one of them, so the problem only arises if its the first card that is exposed.

 

[BGinGA]

In stud games, if a down card in any player's hand is exposed due to dealer error, it is a misdeal.

RRoP and TDA rules call for a misdeal in hold'em/omaha only if the first or second card dealt is exposed; any card exposed beyond the first two cards dealt is exchanged with the flop's burn card. If more than one card is exposed during the initial deal, it is a misdeal and the dealer is subject to ridicule and/or death, depending on the state.

 

[gopherblue]

Correct. But that isn't what happened.

Did Trihonda take it and use it as a card protector?

 

[Poker Zombie]

What BGinGA said, both times. I could quote the TDA rules, but why? BG nailed it.

 

[jbutler]

In stud games, if a down card in any player's hand is exposed due to dealer error, it is a misdeal.

Just to be clear, evidently this is only true in tournament play. I had to look this up because it's not followed in cash games I play and RRoP specifies that it only applies in tournaments.

 

[QuiQuog]

Card remains exposed, and is replaced after all other cards have been dealt. Exposed card becomes the burn card for the flop.

Only if the exposed card is the first or second card dealt does it create a misdeal.

I'm sure there's a logical reason why it's done that way so that there's no advantage to any player, but I can't figure it out. Why couldn't you just set it aside, finish dealing hole cards, then reshuffle it back into the deck and continue as normal? That way it doesn't eliminate a quad possibility, some straights, or reduce flush possibilities. Would that give someone an advantage, or is it not done so that the game moves along without unnecessary delays?

 

[BiGGyT]

If I were dealing, I'd just "accidently" flip over another card and start over. "Oh sorry, I suck at dealing."

 

[BGinGA]

I'm sure there's a logical reason why it's done that way so that there's no advantage to any player, but I can't figure it out. Why couldn't you just set it aside, finish dealing hole cards, then reshuffle it back into the deck and continue as normal?

Your method completely rearranges the entire deck from the order it was intended to be dealt from the initial shuffle/cut. By exchanging the exposed card with the burn card, there will be no changes in the deck order -- only a single card in play (the exposed card's replacement) is different than what was intended to be dealt.

 

[Mental Nomad]

BG is in the mark. The actual board cards remain the same as they would have been without the error.

For someone who feels that random is random it doesn't matter - but there are LOTS of people who care that this wasn't "the flop that should have come" when their aces are cracked, or whatever.

Also, this way is faster than reshuffling, especially for home game shuffles.

 

[slisk250]

In the discussion later on, the dealer didn't really know why we burn cards. I explained that if I cared enough as a new player there to get involved I would have requested the 3h immediately be placed face up on the deck after it was dealt out. Then everyone knows the burn, the next card back was not viewed for very long, and life goes on. The cards were cancelled casino cards with cut corners. I hate that too! A long time ago I had a few new players at my house and after a few hands the first orbit I noticed a potential marking attempt on an ace. It could have been a fluke but I mentioned that the card was damaged, showed everyone, and replaced the deck. one of those guys was at my table so I was watching the cards pretty close.

 

[lherron]

Here's my suggestion.

As soon as one card is accidentally flipped, the hand automatically switches to blackjack, with the dealer that (mis)dealt the hand playing the role of the house. To tilt the odds in the players favor, as a penalty for the dealer's misdeal, the players can look at their cards and choose to bet between one and five big blinds on their blackjack hand.

Can we please play an NYC home game with shit like this? Have all kinds of randomly triggered wildcard events that interrupt an otherwise normal game...

 

[bentax1978]

Can we please play an NYC home game with shit like this? Have all kinds of randomly triggered wildcard events that interrupt an otherwise normal game...

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not?

 

[lherron]

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not?

Haha 100% serious. We just need 7 other degens who want to gamble too...

 

[bentax1978]

Haha 100% serious. We just need 7 other degens who want to gamble too...

Ok, just making sure. The last part about interrupting a "normal game", wasn't sure if you meant that as a good thing or bad the way I first read it.

I'll start looking for the other NY area degens...