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Are you interested in the live/online pro's? Do you watch WSOP/EPT/Poker Night in America?

Interesting story attached about a female poker pro cash game specialist who was invited on Poker Night in America, where Nolan Dalla is the ambassador, also a longtime poker advocate; you have all probably seem him on tv with poker over the years.

http://www.jaclynnmoskow.com/blog/racism-sexual-harassment-poker-night-in-america

Taking the poker world by storm this week

Response from Dalla

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...ight-america-1591640/index3.html#post50099953

Response from the defendants legal counsel (who also played poker with the accuser)

http://lindakenneybadenlaw.com/anno...uest-player-in-the-television-show-poker-nig/


Also something I found funny was that I do have Poker Central on my Roku app and was flipping through Matt Savages "Inside Poker," quite literally just watching this 3 nights ago and saw Dalla interviewed by Savage and they went over misogyny in the poker world, weird timing.

Anyways, thought this was interesting, hope you all enjoy
 
Nolan didn't do himself a lot of favors in his response, but her story sounds implausible. Until there is much more persuasive evidence in her favor, I think Nolan is quite a bit more believable.

I have performed or supervised dozens of affirmative action investigations and represented both complainants and respondents in these types of matters and both Moskow and Dalla make what might seem like logical assumptions based on the actions of the opposing party, but which are simply naive. I didn't bother reading through 2+2 because it is essentially the youtube comments section of the poker world, so I'm sure someone there has made similar points, but the below are some of the assumptions stated and implications made by both parties that come from ignorance and inexperience:

- A settlement offer by PNiA or Dalla or their representatives at any time tends to incriminate Dalla and PNiA.
- The fact that the matter was turned over to an attorney or insurance carrier or the timing of that turnover tends to incriminate Dalla and PNiA.
- The complainant's continued interest and participation in PNiA tends to exculpate Dalla and PNiA.
- The complainant's delay in reporting her claim tends to exculpate Dalla and PNiA.

I'm sure there are more flaws in their reasoning that come from simply not understanding how this process typically works or what is typical behavior of either party, but those are the most obvious and the ones that people typically rely on most strongly in my experience.
 
jbutler said:
Nolan didn't do himself a lot of favors in his response, but her story sounds implausible. Until there is much more persuasive evidence in her favor, I think Nolan is quite a bit more believable.

I have performed or supervised dozens of affirmative action investigations and represented both complainants and respondents in these types of matters and both Moskow and Dalla make what might seem like logical assumptions based on the actions of the opposing party, but which are simply naive. I didn't bother reading through 2+2 because it is essentially the youtube comments section of the poker world, so I'm sure someone there has made similar points, but the below are some of the assumptions stated and implications made by both parties that come from ignorance and inexperience:

- A settlement offer by PNiA or Dalla or their representatives at any time tends to incriminate Dalla and PNiA.
- The fact that the matter was turned over to an attorney or insurance carrier or the timing of that turnover tends to incriminate Dalla and PNiA.
- The complainant's continued interest and participation in PNiA tends to exculpate Dalla and PNiA.
- The complainant's delay in reporting her claim tends to exculpate Dalla and PNiA.

I'm sure there are more flaws in their reasoning that come from simply not understanding how this process typically works or what is typical behavior of either party, but those are the most obvious and the ones that people typically rely on most strongly in my experience.
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Apparently the accuser is going to be doing a live podcast on Joey Ingrams show, will be interesting to see how that goes, she claims she will reveal the evidence
 
manamongkids said:
Apparently the accuser is going to be doing a live podcast on Joey Ingrams show, will be interesting to see how that goes, she claims she will reveal the evidence
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I saw that. I won't be free to listen live, but hopefully it's archived for later. I'll check it out.

She's smart enough - it appears - to have gone at least third level strat here and to know that she would be required to produce something to back up her claims. I assume she wouldn't have begun this whole process if she didn't have something to present as evidence in her favor, so I expect to see something that might superficially support her story.

But in terms of evidence, I want to see a lot more than texts or emails that vaguely allude to someone doing something. I want to hear from witnesses who were present for the alleged sexual battery (though in Pennsylvania what she describes would most likely be deemed a misdemeanor Indecent Assault rather than "sexual battery").
 
I was reading the 2+2 thread where she accused one of the PNiA show producers of saying "This show is great because we've got no Jews. Most of the other shows have Jews." There was a theory on 2+2 that he actually said "Juice", like rake. That would make more sense - PNiA isn't a raked game from what I understand.

Anyway, this should be interesting.
 
bergs said:
I was reading the 2+2 thread where she accused one of the PNiA show producers of saying "This show is great because we've got no Jews. Most of the other shows have Jews." There was a theory on 2+2 that he actually said "Juice", like rake. That would make more sense - PNiA isn't a raked game from what I understand.
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That makes about a trillion times more sense than a guy who works in a field combining poker and broadcasting being openly anti-Semitic.
 
bergs said:
I was reading the 2+2 thread where she accused one of the PNiA show producers of saying "This show is great because we've got no Jews. Most of the other shows have Jews." There was a theory on 2+2 that he actually said "Juice", like rake. That would make more sense - PNiA isn't a raked game from what I understand.

Anyway, this should be interesting.
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Haha thats actually hilarious
 
Okay, I ended up wading into the shitshow that is 2+2, but the thread wasn't quite as retarded as I expected. Some funny (intentional and otherwise) posts scattered throughout.

Also:

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Here is the stream link



If the texts are real, shows that the story does have some merit. I'm only about 15 mins into it, but interesting nonetheless
 
What I can't understand is why she would even show up in the Florida game after all that happened and being told that she want welcome.

Maybe it's explained in the podcast. But that seems like the stupidest thing to do after all that allegedly happened.
 
stocky said:
What I can't understand is why she would even show up in the Florida game after all that happened and being told that she want welcome.

Maybe it's explained in the podcast. But that seems like the stupidest thing to do after all that allegedly happened.
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I think, unless you're a victim of sexual assault it's hard to wrap your head around it. Seems like a typical path some victims take is ignoring it and pretending as if it never happened. Which makes sense in this case, she wanted to sweep it under the rug and move on. After she got put thru another crap in Florida she realized these people deserves whatever they get. If true; sad it took this long to come out, but I wouldn't be shocked if this happens a lot.
 
stocky said:
What I can't understand is why she would even show up in the Florida game after all that happened and being told that she want welcome.

Maybe it's explained in the podcast. But that seems like the stupidest thing to do after all that allegedly happened.
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There are a bunch of reasons to think her story sounds like complete horseshit, but this isn't one. Her behavior would not be atypical at all even if her allegations were true. I have seen many examples of women who continue to interact with the alleged offender when they think it is in their professional interest even where the underlying alleged offense is 10x worse that what is alleged here.
 
I have no doubt that she would still show up to Florida if invited. I totally understand what you guys are saying.

I must of misremembered her blog post. I thought she received a rude email or text basically saying F off you aren't welcome in Florida.
 
Yeah, this isn't adding up at all. There is no juice at their events?? Even in Florida??? Srsly?

What is their hang-up?

Is there a citrus blight that hasn't been reported?? Or are these guys just plain old juice haters?

Personally, I like juice. All juice, really. I have no bias, although I can understand why some may not like certain juices. But to have no juice?? That doesn't seem right.

I hope someone gets to the bottom of this.
 
Mojo1312 said:
Yeah, this isn't adding up at all. There is no juice at their events?? Even in Florida??? Srsly?

What is their hang-up?

Is there a citrus blight that hasn't been reported?? Or are these guys just plain old juice haters?

Personally, I like juice. All juice, really. I have no bias, although I can understand why some may not like certain juices. But to have no juice?? That doesn't seem right.

I hope someone gets to the bottom of this.
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Oh you like a the juice?

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/hubs-gyros/n10418
 
At this point I'd bet that her version of the story is closer to reality than his.

I think she made a credible witness in that podcast.
 
her explanation of the course of events sounds plausible but the podcast gets a bit long.

my take on it;

sounds like a few guys saying a few choice remarks about jews and blacks, drinkin bit too much and one guy motorboats her large breasticals

it bothered her but she played nice for awhile thinking she would get a poker sponsorship, which didnt materialize, she let it go for awhile, then it still bothered her

i dont think she was or is after a payday but they offered one knowing maybe they were wrong and/or didnt want the publicity

she said screw the money and came out with the course of events to the public.

she appears to be an intelligent person and a thinker, medical degree and such



my opinion maybe she just wants the clowns to think twice before they do it again and in the back of her head thinks it will hit them in their pocket book maybe as an added bonus

but im guessin.....my opinion

and i do agree with jb's assessment of her actions
 
So has there been any additional "news" or any further statement by any of the parties? I skimmed the 2+2 thread, but whatever of value was there when I last looked has been trampled into nothing by the avalanche of morons.

Evidently some are persuaded by the texts she read on the podcast. I still haven't watched so I won't pretend to have all the evidence in front of me. I did see a lot of dumbass posturing in the 2+2 thread about how we should "always believe" someone who makes a complaint such as this, which I find to be nonsensical bullshit.

Nolan has evidently pushed forward continuing to post on his blog with his normal everyday posts which is a little surprising. And she has released nothing additional through her blog which I find far more surprising given her statement that she would "release relevant documents" if any of the relevant parties "publicly proclaim" that she is "being dishonest." Nolan has certainly done that and I wouldn't consider giving an interview about the documents releasing the documents.
 
jbutler said:
So has there been any additional "news" or any further statement by any of the parties? I skimmed the 2+2 thread, but whatever of value was there when I last looked has been trampled into nothing by the avalanche of morons.

Evidently some are persuaded by the texts she read on the podcast. I still haven't watched so I won't pretend to have all the evidence in front of me. I did see a lot of dumbass posturing in the 2+2 thread about how we should "always believe" someone who makes a complaint such as this, which I find to be nonsensical bullshit.

Nolan has evidently pushed forward continuing to post on his blog with his normal everyday posts which is a little surprising. And she has released nothing additional through her blog which I find far more surprising given her statement that she would "release relevant documents" if any of the relevant parties "publicly proclaim" that she is "being dishonest." Nolan has certainly done that and I wouldn't consider giving an interview about the documents releasing the documents.
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i think her relevant docs are snippets of text messages from her phone from Dalla and other folks, its all in the podcast. Stick an earbud in and listen to it, pretty interesting IMO. Each doc is explained so you dont need video persay
 
manamongkids said:
i think her relevant docs are snippets of text messages from her phone from Dalla and other folks, its all in the podcast. Stick an earbud in and listen to it, pretty interesting IMO. Each doc is explained so you dont need video persay
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Sure, but my point is that if she wants to "release" the documents, all she has to do is upload them to a google doc file and post it. Expecting everyone to wade through more than an hour interview just to look at what is purported to be the objective evidence is dumb on her part if that's the only way she's planning on "releasing" the documents.
 
jbutler said:
Sure, but my point is that if she wants to "release" the documents, all she has to do is upload them to a google doc file and post it. Expecting everyone to wade through more than an hour interview just to look at what is purported to be the objective evidence is dumb on her part if that's the only way she's planning on "releasing" the documents.
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She is not expecting the texts to be overly persuasive without context I think. Even with context, they need to be validated by a carrier that they came from the accounts she says they did.

I watched the podcast (3/4 attention while doing other things). She is coming off as more credible than him IMO.
 
Chicken Rob said:
She is not expecting the texts to be overly persuasive without context I think. Even with context, they need to be validated by a carrier that they came from the accounts she says they did.

I watched the podcast (3/4 attention while doing other things). She is coming off as more credible than him IMO.
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If she's not expecting what she offered to be persuasive then even more reason to do something else. She was quite willing to write the original post. She can write another annotating what she claims are the texts at issue.

Her original claims were extraordinary and therefore require extraordinary evidence. From what I have read her evidence of Nolan's actions at this point amounts to texts in which the marketing director for PNiA apologizes for Nolan's actions which he describes as "inexcusable" and does not immediately refute her claim that Nolan "groped" her. She is right in not expecting this to be overly persuasive.

The most I could say with confidence is that Chris Capra believed something happened. What he knows or believed happened I have no idea. There are many reasons why the few texts she has "released" should not be assumed to support her full account. I am totally open to the idea that the events she described did occur as she described them. But thus far I am not persuaded. If these texts are the whole of the "relevant documents" she promised to release, she had better be contacting witnesses because she will need them.
 
She stated in the interview that there are additional documents to support her claim that her lawyer has advised her to hold back from public release. I'm curious to see if she has enough to make the case. If she's not lying, I'd like to see as much justice as possible handed out.
 
i think she made a remark that anyone could contact her and she would provide some of the emails or texts that she was sending to the podcast interviewer as they spoke....i dont want to re-listen for that remark but i think there was a reference

have not followed up on anything but i think the events were as simple as i posted earlier and i got the impression she just wanted the story out there and that is it....i also got the impression the podcast was the only announcement....and nothing more was going to follow

maybe i am wrong but its too long for me to re-listen

is she pressing any charges?


http://www.flushdraw.net/news/pnia-...sexism-racism-complaints-against-shows-execs/
 
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Chicken Rob said:
She stated in the interview that there are additional documents to support her claim that her lawyer has advised her to hold back from public release. I'm curious to see if she has enough to make the case. If she's not lying, I'd like to see as much justice as possible handed out.
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Totally agree with your last statement. Perhaps she now thinks she jumped the gun in stating flat out that she would release the documents and now has competent counsel properly recommending otherwise.

Unfortunately I don't think this course of action - publicly stating allegations with promises of proof and then retreating from further public statements and delivery of proof on the advice of counsel - is likely to do the most good for the parties involved.
 

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