Distinguishing Between Ceramics (1 Viewer)

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What should I look for in ceramics that I am missing?

It seems to me that the only thing that distinguishes one ceramic chip from another is the art work. The designers are able to do very attractive things with a lot more real estate to work with, at the cost of forsaking other interesting design features. DDLM comes to mind.

I am finding that clays and china slays grab my imagination better. Inlays, labels, molds, spots all seem more interesting to me.

The one exception seems to be Cards Molds. They actually have a mold feature to add interest.

Ceramics are able to do more with color, especially adding glossiness. Clays seem to be stuck with respect to surface finish in the linen realm. Is there such a thing as a smooth and glossy clay? (Different topic perhaps, but it's my post. I'll splash my post whenever I want.)
 
Different ceramics from different manufacturers have differences in material composition, and probably printing quality too. It's always good to get some samples in hand, preferably in the company of a fellow local chipper who owns a variety.
 
Different ceramics from different manufacturers have differences in material composition, and probably printing quality too. It's always good to get some samples in hand, preferably in the company of a fellow local chipper who owns a variety.
Agreed.
I put a cards mold chip and a DDLM from BRPro under 60x magnification.
Here’s the cards mold:
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And here is the DDLM:
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The DDLM is much more textured and feels a bit more like sandpaper than the cards mold. There has been some talk that the cards mold chips get slipperier after use…not sure about that, the one in the photo hasn’t seen any play.

The cards mold is clearly is smoother than the BRPro chips and feels like it.

Edit: here’s a Chipco at 60x for comparison:
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Agreed.
I put a cards mold chip and a DDLM from BRPro under 60x magnification.
Here’s the cards mold:
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And here is the DDLM:
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The DDLM is much more textured and feels a bit more like sandpaper than the cards mold. There has been some talk that the cards mold chips get slipperier after use…not sure about that, the one in the photo hasn’t seen any play.

The cards mold is clearly is smoother than the BRPro chips and feels like it.
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Agreed.
I put a cards mold chip and a DDLM from BRPro under 60x magnification.
Here’s the cards mold:
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And here is the DDLM:
View attachment 971116

The DDLM is much more textured and feels a bit more like sandpaper than the cards mold. There has been some talk that the cards mold chips get slipperier after use…not sure about that, the one in the photo hasn’t seen any play.

The cards mold is clearly is smoother than the BRPro chips and feels like it.
What’s that in that crater in the middle? I had to zoom in to see.
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What should I look for in ceramics that I am missing?

It seems to me that the only thing that distinguishes one ceramic chip from another is the art work. The designers are able to do very attractive things with a lot more real estate to work with, at the cost of forsaking other interesting design features. DDLM comes to mind.

I am finding that clays and china slays grab my imagination better. Inlays, labels, molds, spots all seem more interesting to me.

The one exception seems to be Cards Molds. They actually have a mold feature to add interest.

Ceramics are able to do more with color, especially adding glossiness. Clays seem to be stuck with respect to surface finish in the linen realm. Is there such a thing as a smooth and glossy clay? (Different topic perhaps, but it's my post. I'll splash my post whenever I want.)
Ceramic chip differences include composition (brittle vs a softer material), surface finish (glossy, linen, or textured), print quality (affected by surface finish and printer capability), face-to-edge print alignment, and mold design (debossed and/or recessed features, face flatness vs concavity, face-to-edge shoulder contour, and flat/square vs rounded rolling edges.

Those items can make a ceramic chip either outstanding or attrocious, and some combinations can render a chip set either a true joy to use, or nearly unplayable (illegible or difficult to read, unstackable spinners, and/or easily broken chips).

All ceramic chips are not created equal.
 
Agreed.
I put a cards mold chip and a DDLM from BRPro under 60x magnification.
Here’s the cards mold:
View attachment 971115

And here is the DDLM:
View attachment 971116

The DDLM is much more textured and feels a bit more like sandpaper than the cards mold. There has been some talk that the cards mold chips get slipperier after use…not sure about that, the one in the photo hasn’t seen any play.

The cards mold is clearly is smoother than the BRPro chips and feels like it.
Got any chipcos you could put under the 60x?
 
I’m relatively new in my experience with the various new wave of plastic chips that are out there the Card Mold and China clays etc. But I find texture wise good ceramics such as ABC/BR handle much better than these. I get the appeal of the new plastic chips because they can be quite an expensive and allow for some possibilities that are otherwise unavailable. As you will see frequently discussed the real benefit of a good ceramic is the visual potential of all of the surfaces of the chip.

With any chip it’s a balance between having enough grip to make them stack and handle well but not being too rough so they can’t be shuffled and cut easily.
 
I’m relatively new in my experience with the various new wave of plastic chips that are out there the Card Mold and China clays etc. But I find texture wise good ceramics such as ABC/BR handle much better than these. I get the appeal of the new plastic chips because they can be quite an expensive and allow for some possibilities that are otherwise unavailable. As you will see frequently discussed the real benefit of a good ceramic is the visual potential of all of the surfaces of the chip.

With any chip it’s a balance between having enough grip to make them stack and handle well but not being too rough so they can’t be shuffled and cut easily.
The cards mold chips are ceramic, not plastic. My testing on debossed/molded ceramics (diamond mold, cards mold) indicate better handling performance than standard flat ceramic chips, even surpassing that of used RHC clay chips.
 
What should I look for in ceramics that I am missing?

It seems to me that the only thing that distinguishes one ceramic chip from another is the art work. The designers are able to do very attractive things with a lot more real estate to work with, at the cost of forsaking other interesting design features. DDLM comes to mind.

I am finding that clays and china slays grab my imagination better. Inlays, labels, molds, spots all seem more interesting to me.

The one exception seems to be Cards Molds. They actually have a mold feature to add interest.

BG did a good job outlining the different physical characteristics of different ceramics, which mostly play into how they feel and how they handle.

A lot of what you've asked about above is about different visual characteristics, i.e. the designs. Ceramics have a different design idiom than clays which is entirely due to the very different ways in which the two are manufactured. Clays naturally have debossed molds and edge spots and inlays (or hotstamps) and good clay designs make the best of those three features while respecting their limitations. Ceramics on the other hand have freedom to print anything across the entire face and along the rolling edge; they don't have edge spots or molds and don't have an unprintable rim around a central inlay.

That's why you get clays that look like this:

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And ceramics that look like this:

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Then there's plastics, which have yet another entirely different design idiom. Like clays, they have a central full-color printed design (on an adhesive decal rather than on an inlaid inlay), but rather than having crude edge spots ("inserts", made by cutting out chunks of clay and placing different-colored chunks of clay back in) they can have a wide variety of patterns in the ring outside the central area, made using whatever shapes are built into the injection molds.

Most of the cheaper plastic chips have "edge spot" designs which are simpler and uglier than typical clay chips. But some have designs that are intricate and interesting. For example:

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Two somewhat recent developments are molded ceramics and hybrid ceramics. Molded ceramics have debossed impressions in the rim, similar to the sorts of edge molds that clay chips have. Accordingly, PCF designers have been making various clones and tributes to casino clays and replicating those designs on the Tina cards mold chips. They don't actually resemble the original clay chips, because the clay edge spots ("inserts") can't be faithfully replicated just by using printed ink, but a lot of folks think they look pretty nice anyway:

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Whereas hybrid ceramics have a central recess which takes an adhesive decal, similar to the way plastics do, and so a lot of designers have been using hybrids to replicate the sorts of designs you see on plastics:

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... while others use hybrids to replicate clays:

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This is just a crude overview of the common design idioms found on some of the commonly-produced chips. This by no means exhausts the design space; in fact, I'm sure designers will continue to come up with new ideas that expand the range of possibilities. Part of the chipping hobby is getting exposed to the wide range of possible designs that exist - each one relying on different physical characteristics and manufacturing processes involved in creating the underlying chip - and deciding for yourself what types of chips and designs appeal to you.

Good luck and have fun!
 
Is there such a thing as a smooth and glossy clay?
The texture of a clay chip is determined by the mold. The mold imparts its texture to the chip when the chip is pressed in the mold.

Some molds are smooth, some molds are textured. Some textured molds have a coarse texture, others have a finer texture.

THC chips have a textured surface across the entire chip. RHC chips have a smooth surface in the inlay area.
 

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