Dibs 2021 - What does it mean now? (1 Viewer)

ArielVer18 said:
Wouldn’t you like to know the cost of shipping prior to making a strong commitment to purchase? Have you encountered members who run wild with high shipping markups or simply don’t know of cheaper options to ship?
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Can’t say that I have. I have a pretty good grip on how much will fit into the different USPS flatrate boxes and how much they cost. And if I buy from other places outside of EU I accept whatever is presented. Haven’t been quoted anything unreasonable yet.
 
Eriks said:
Can’t say that I have. I have a pretty good grip on how much will fit into the different USPS flatrate boxes and how much they cost. And if I buy from other places outside of EU I accept whatever is presented. Haven’t been quoted anything unreasonable yet.
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Agree. I’m familiar enough with USPS international rates and box limits to know what something is going to cost me in advance. If I’m unsure, I clarify before committing to buy. If I “dibs” something though, I’m buying it.

Worst case, I can arrange for shipping to a U.S. address thanks to the generosity of great PCFers on here who help us international chippers out with re-shipping.
 
Just observed today what dibs are worth in a wts thread. Given there are so different opinions on how binding this is, I will state in my next sale that I will ignore any dibs since it causes confusion again and again.
My preferred quote is „dibs if split depending price“ - so you want to claim rights without committing to buy. That sounds like a free lunch to me
 
ranger764 said:
Yeah, I agree with original post. Unless you dibs and then PM to clarify something that isn’t clear in post, then you should be ready to buy. I had posted dibs where I was a 2nd or 3rd back up and first 2 dropped and by the time they did was so many other posts and dibs that seller passed right over me probably by mistake. Would not have happened if not for the false dibs ahead of me
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RudysNYC said:
Personally if dibs is going to be a thing I think it should be like the rules for baseball cards on the playground: “dibs” should really be “first dibs”—you get first crack at it, but it isn’t binding. Dibs should be non-binding in my opinion and go down the line in order of time. It’s why I always post “backup” on something I really want that’s been dibsed
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I had my doubts if calling "backup dibs" actually worked until today.

I was second or third in line, and the seller needed a quick sale. The first guy was new to PCF with no positive feedback and didn't respond within 8 hours. The second guy only wanted a barrel but also did not respond. The seller PM'd me, and within an hour, the rack was mine. I've always paid promptly. PM right away and ask where to pay; confirming total with shipping.
 
SixSpeedFury said:
I always hated the "dibs" line. Either you have the funds to buy it outright or you don't.
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Thats not what "dibs" means. The accepted meaning is that you are publicly marking the item as "taken" becuase you have full intent to pay the asking price, and are currently in PM exchange with the seller to transfer funds.
 
I assumed calling dibs was a commitment to buy but hey I'm new here so maybe I could be wrong but if I call dibs I'll always be committed it just seems the right way to do business.
 
i recently saw a "dibs" then a prompt "release dibs" with no explanation. accordingly, that user's dibs no longer count in my sale threads (i guess i am adopting @Windwalker's asshat clause). money (in the form of an immediate PPFF commitment/payment) talks.

though i haven't actually benefited from one yet, i am liking the recent trend of "this not a dibs sale" sales.
 
Just a thought, the community could just accept a message of "dibs incomplete" from the seller as indicating their item is still unclaimed if the person posting dibs doesn't close the deal in a timely fashion. The problem with dibs is those that use it without follow through harm sellers, and they should be outed for this behavior.
 
BirdCage said:
That's a great example, but there are so many that specific instances aren't really needed!

I actually like dibs when used with integrity. The only real solution would be to build a dibs system into the forum infrastructure. So that a user would have the ability to post a dibs via the system. If they don't follow through with the sale or release it themselves, then they lose the dibs function for a period of time - like six months or a year. That would be fun and awesome.
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This is a very good idea. I think the dibs thing should be changed over to a cart and checkout format.
 
I really think we need a commerce type of format with a cart and checkout. This would allow the "dibs" buyer to hurry and purchase before anyone else can and he is fully committed. Seller indicates that there are no refunds. All sales are final.
 
John_Higgs said:
I think the dibs thing should be changed over to a cart and checkout format.
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Unfortunately, that will not fix anything. Letting your shopping cart's session expire is no different that posting "releasing dibs". The people hurt the most by the retracting/releasing dibs concept are those that already saw the dibs, and didn't give the thread a second thought. When the item is available again, they never know.

One solution that comes to mind, is for a classified ad owner (by way of a new mechanism on the website) to send a specific kind of alert to interested parties when a dibs has fallen through. A way to be notified when items come back up for grabs. One might say we already have that through "backup dibs", but as @ranger764 pointed out, sellers can make mistakes when looking through the list for backups.
 
I think this is getting more complicated than it needs to be. Everything seems to be working fine.

I think if some calls “dibs” and they don’t pay in XYZ time, the seller should just move on to the next person.
In fact, sellers should just put that in their post. If you call dibs payment needs to be made in XYZ time. If not, I’m offering to the next dibser. (Is dibser a word?) Dibserite? Dibseronian?
 
Just thought of a much easier system.

If, as a seller, a dibs has fallen through, cancel the first ad, and just open a new ad; posting the item as available again. This way, everybody will see the new availability.
 
Silver_Fiend said:
Thats not what "dibs" means. The accepted meaning is that you are publicly marking the item as "taken" becuase you have full intent to pay the asking price, and are currently in PM exchange with the seller to transfer funds.
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Yes, but there has been some instances where the "dibber" has backed of their initial dib because out because of unforseen reasons. Hence my statement.
 
Eidigean said:
Unfortunately, that will not fix anything. Letting your shopping cart's session expire is no different that posting "releasing dibs". The people hurt the most by the retracting/releasing dibs concept are those that already saw the dibs, and didn't give the thread a second thought. When the item is available again, they never know.

One solution that comes to mind, is for a classified ad owner (by way of a new mechanism on the website) to send a specific kind of alert to interested parties when a dibs has fallen through. A way to be notified when items come back up for grabs. One might say we already have that through "backup dibs", but as @ranger764 pointed out, sellers can make mistakes when looking through the list for backups.
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Yea this is a good idea. I didn't think about the cart expiring. Even with a checkout timer, other serious buyers would pass right by and the seller miss the sale. So yea cart is an idea, just not the one for this. I like the notification idea.
 
chipinla said:
I think this is getting more complicated than it needs to be. Everything seems to be working fine.

I think if some calls “dibs” and they don’t pay in XYZ time, the seller should just move on to the next person.
In fact, sellers should just put that in their post. If you call dibs payment needs to be made in XYZ time. If not, I’m offering to the next dibser. (Is dibser a word?) Dibserite? Dibseronian?
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I feel like the most important thing we all need to establish before anything else is what we properly call “one that dibs”
 
chipinla said:
I think this is getting more complicated than it needs to be. Everything seems to be working fine.

I think if some calls “dibs” and they don’t pay in XYZ time, the seller should just move on to the next person.
In fact, sellers should just put that in their post. If you call dibs payment needs to be made in XYZ time. If not, I’m offering to the next dibser. (Is dibser a word?) Dibserite? Dibseronian?
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This could work too... but I think I like the notification system that automatically notifies the next "dibster" in line that the product is available again. Good try though chip-in-step or something
 
chipinla said:
I think this is getting more complicated than it needs to be. Everything seems to be working fine.

I think if some calls “dibs” and they don’t pay in XYZ time, the seller should just move on to the next person.
In fact, sellers should just put that in their post. If you call dibs payment needs to be made in XYZ time. If not, I’m offering to the next dibser. (Is dibser a word?) Dibserite? Dibseronian?
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This can also lead to the seller making mistakes when looking through the "dibster" back-up list. @ranger764. If the system sends that notification, it wouldn't miss the actual back-up dibs person.
 
John_Higgs said:
This can also lead to the seller making mistakes when looking through the "dibster" back-up list. @ranger764. If the system sends that notification, it wouldn't miss the actual back-up dibs person.
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I guess I’m in the “who cares” column. This is a very casual thing we have going in the classifieds. Mistakes happen, oh well we move on. People can sell to whom they want and ask for however much they want. They might cut someone a better deal than another person based on their relationship. I have no problem with any of that.

eBay exists for people who want structure.
 
chipinla said:
I guess I’m in the “who cares” column. This is a very casual thing we have going in the classifieds. Mistakes happen, oh well we move on. People can sell to whom they want and ask for however much they want. They might cut someone a better deal than another person based on their relationship. I have no problem with any of that.

eBay exists for people who want structure.
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Ok
 
What is a dib? And how can one have multiple of them?

I've also seen it used as a placeholder for someone the person thinks may purchase it, on their behalf.
 
chipinla said:
I guess I’m in the “who cares” column. This is a very casual thing we have going in the classifieds. Mistakes happen, oh well we move on. People can sell to whom they want and ask for however much they want. They might cut someone a better deal than another person based on their relationship. I have no problem with any of that.

eBay exists for people who want structure.
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In a lot of ways, you are right on with that... I am just glad my father has been a casino pit boss for 34 years, so I have access to most Paulson chips that were ever produced (except Isle of Capri.) There really isn't that big of a problem with this at the moment I feel like. I see where your coming from, and it really makes alot of sense. I have buyers on here I would almost give my Paulsons away to. Becoming a known forum buyer, seller, friend would almost kill all of the dibs stuff.
 

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