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My regular home game crew has been playing on pokernow.com. It works well for out group since we play a rotation of Hold'em and PLO and those are the only games offered. it is a free site and doesn't have a rake. It also had a recent upgrade to allow video chat through the website which work decently.

We are several hours into the session. There have been some big hands already. Hero (me) and Villain have clashed several times. The first time Hero had his KK cracked by A4ss when Villain jammed with his flush draw on the turn and hit his Ace to bust Hero. Hero later double through Villain when we both flopped a set and turned a boat.

The game allows rebuys up to the big stack and there have been several $500 rebuys making the game pretty deep for a $1/1 game.

This hands takes place in Hold'em, most of the bigger hands with this Villain do as he is much more comfortable in Hold'em than PLO. Caveman (Villain) is a LAG!!!!! He is very loose aggressive preflop and on the flop, but doesn't usually stack off or shove with complete air. Though top pair is sometimes enough for him depending on who he is going against and if he feels they are on tilt, or if Caveman is on tilt. He is much more willing to shove short stacks (anything less than a full $200) buy-in with just about anything.

Caveman rebuilt his stack shortly before this hand when he flopped a full house with JJ on a 1010J flop and TK couldn't get away from KK doubling him up.

Hero is in the BB with :8c::7c: ($1150)

Caveman ($900) is UTG+1 and opens to $10 after UTG folds.
There are 4 callers from the field including the Button before it gets to Hero.

Most of the Field players have at lest $500 stacks, nobody is short stacked.

Does Hero call, raise, or fold? If raising to how much?

Note about how the table is playing at this point:

There was a hand last orbit where Caveman had opened to $5 from UTG and gotten 2 callers before it got to me. I raised to $25 from the SB with :9h::8h: the BB (nit that is not used to playing these stakes) cold called RED FLAG!!!!! Caveman called and so did both of the initial $5 callers. Flop was 556. Action checked through on the flop. Turn was a 6 and Nit bet $60, Caveman called and the rest of us folded. River was a 3 and they checked down. Nit showed QQ and it was good. We didn't get to see Caveman's hand. So players are laying in the weeds and not scared to call 3 bets when Caveman opens knowing we are all looking to play pots with him. After the hand the NIT texts me asking if I had AK which I said yes! lol

He respects my 3 bets enough that he didn't want to risk running into Aces or Kings, or at least and AK on the flop if he 4 bet.

We have at least a decade of playing home and casino games together. Most of the players play or deal in my regular home game. So we have a good understanding of each others games for the most part.
 

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Just calling here.

This situation is a lot different than the previous strat thread you posted, given position.

Closing the action, with initial raiser UTG, I rather just flat and play fit or fold. If we raise and UTG flats, that will invite all the other players to come along and we would be OOP for the hand.

I just vote "call".
 

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Take it to the streets, you have a great hand that plays multiway and your position is pretty bad. Call and let's see a flop!
 

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From BB closing the action i would probably 100% call. Caps your range (you wouldn't flat JJ+ AQ+ here i don't think) but with 5 players other playes will have to tread carefully so not a big deal. i would usually fold but 5-handed i think call is ok. though 5-handed is getting to the point where you're getting RIO with this hand as when the money gets in you won't always be good though.

Raising while closing the action seems not great. I could see doing that from the SB to shut out the BB.
 

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Hero is in the BB with :8c::7c: ($1150)

Caveman ($900) is UTG+1 and opens to $10 after UTG folds.
There are 4 callers from the field including the Button before it gets to Hero.

Most of the Field players have at lest $500 stacks, nobody is short stacked.

Does Hero call, raise, or fold? If raising to how much?
I'd probably Call here most of the time, but a Raise is not out of the question, I'd say $80 or more, with the aim to:
take down the dead money in the pot,
isolate to 1 or 2 opponents instead of 5

If you think Caveman only has a premium hand here, though, and would almost always reraise you, I'd just call. But you said he's very loose, so if he's opening UTG with a wider range, a raise might work.
 

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Closing the action and having to potentially be playing a bloated pot in the worst position if we raise make calling the obvious play.

Hero calls the $10.

Six players to the flop Pot is $61

Flop comes:
:8h::7s::5h: and action is on Hero first to act.

check or bet?
 

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Too risky to let check through. Pf raiser will play face up, bet.
 

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Closing the action and having to potentially be playing a bloated pot in the worst position if we raise make calling the obvious play.

Hero calls the $10.

Six players to the flop Pot is $61

Flop comes:
:8h::7s::5h: and action is on Hero first to act.

check or bet?

I'm throwing a healthy bet out there. Pot size range
 

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Yuck. If we bet and get called, a high card is about the only card I want to see on the turn, and a non-heart at that. Or an 8 or 7 of course. If we bet and get raised, I suppose we call from out of position and hope for the best on the turn? A check is weak, but it has a few benefits. I don’t want to play anymore!
 

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Check. 5 players left to act, including pre-flop raiser. I'm checking, hoping for someone to bet, and even 1 or more flat calls behind, and getting ready to check-raise. Thinking ahead, if I check the flop here, and someone bets, and someone else raises, - I'd have to re-evaluate, as 2 pair might not be good on that flop (some sets and straights, obv.), but might be good against a worse 2 pair.
 

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Check. Playing six handed, really hard to have a balanced donk bet range here. Always checking myself.

Depending on the action behind me, I’ll evaluate either a check/call or a check/raise.
Exactly what Paulo said. I think it’s a good thing that I tend to agree with him.
 

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Check. Playing six handed, really hard to have a balanced donk bet range here. Always checking myself.

Depending on the action behind me, I’ll evaluate either a check/call or a check/raise.

would you consider a hand like A6hh, A7hh, A9hh, 910hh as a donk bet to balance sets, 2 pairs, and flopped straights that you would bet as well?
 

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you are showing good amount of strength donking into 5 players. others can't raise you willy nilly with garbage. you are protected by the setup of the hand against being bluffed out.

do not let this check through. there are tons of worse 2p, pair+oesd, pair+fd, fd combos, even overpairs available to continue. missing truckloads of value here if this checks through.

now if you get raised, kinda sucks and need to evaluate player's range a bit more, but cross that bridge when you get there. also you started 1000bb deep against villain but it went 6ways with a 10x open, its not really that deep anymore.
 

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would you consider a hand like A6hh, A7hh, A9hh, 910hh as a donk bet to balance sets, 2 pairs, and flopped straights that you would bet as well?

Those are good candidates for sure and I might even consider a donk bet if Hero was playing shorthanded (although I very, very seldom donk IRL). Now, playing 6 handed I think I like the check line as the chance to go check around is very small, although non-zero. It also give me the chance to see if someone else other than the pre-flop raiser shows aggression. If Villain c-bets and there's one or two flatters, I'm putting a raise there.
 

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Trying to decide between check-calling, check-raising, check-folding, or leading out into the field has me going:
tenor-1.gif
 

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We have relative position, let’s keep it that way and check.
 

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I vote check...but don't think a bet is a terrible play. Most likely you're ahead, and gonna get called by draws.
Gotta love playing 1000 bigs deep. See ya at the river.
 

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Let's move this hand along a little.

Hero checks. Caveman bets $40, everyone folds back to Hero.

Action is on Hero, we are heads up at this point already with Caveman. Do we call or raise? If raising, how much?
 

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I'm raising for sure.

Though I never get the chance to play in these super deep games, so I've no clue what a typical sizing would
be, I would be looking to make it $140-$150.

I'd probably make the same play with sets, straights, some pair plus open enders and some weaker flush draws and combo draws, as this board favours your calling range pre.
 

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Hero should have the best hand here the great majority of the time against an UTG opener. I like our hand so much at this time I might even consider checking (not quite). Hearts are bad obviously and so is a 5. Other than that, we should be good. Regardless, I still think Hero should raise here. 5 greens, maybe? Not too much... Wanna target over-pairs and heart draws.
 

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I definitely raise. Bet sizing is tough. How sticky is villain? How likely is he to call with an overpair or with a flush draw or straight draw? And how likely will he bet any scare card on the turn? What is your plan for the turn if a scare card comes?

The answer to these questions will affect my bet sizing quite a bit. Based on your description of villain, I’m thinking more in the $175 range.
 
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