Dealing Mixed Games (1 Viewer)

[rjbf65]

Forgive me if this has been covered before but I have a question. Looks to me that games can generally be put into 3 categories. Flop/community, stud, and draw. Are you supposed to "burn" a card in the stud and draw games? How do you guys handle that?

 

[abby99]

Yes. The general rule is that except for the first deal (starting with the first card off the deck), a card is burned at the beginning of every street in flop and stud games, and just before every draw in draw games.

 

[abby99]

I should add that some home games play without burns, most often stud and draw games. This is definitely house-dependent. In our local home game, if we're 9-handed and want to play Big O or another flop game with five individual cards, we'll omit the burn before the turn, and the river card is the bottom card of the deck. Here again, putting the bottom card into play is usually not done, but it's not unheard of to bend the rules in a home game in order to accommodate an additional player without making somebody sit out.

If memory serves, the subject of burn cards is covered in Roberts Rules of Poker for Private Games (links here)

 

[rjbf65]

Thanks for the advice. I prefer the burn card method as I think it helps prevent misdeals. I have heard before that if someone is drawing cards and there aren't enough left that the main thing to make sure of is to not include the cards he is discarding in the reshuffle as to make sure they have 0% chance of getting them again.

 

[ohio3302016]

We never burn during the stud / draw games.

 

[Andrew Marks]

We don't burn in stud games because we try to avoid re-using dealt cards and/or avoid community cards as much as possible. Depends on how many hands you are dealing.

 

[Payback]

We don't burn in stud games because we try to avoid re-using dealt cards and/or avoid community cards as much as possible. Depends on how many hands you are dealing.

Burns don't interfere with that. If you run out of cards just shuffle the burns back into the remaining stub and your good to go.

 

[Andrew Marks]

Burns don't interfere with that. If you run out of cards just shuffle the burns back into the remaining stub and your good to go.

Except then you are technically dealing cards out of their original order and when/if you have to do this there is no remaining stub -- you don't have enough cards to deal out a round. Besides asking a player (in our game everyone deals for themselves) to remember to burn cards and to possibly have to re-mix the deck in the middle of a hand is asking way too much.

 

[Payback]

Except then you are technically dealing cards out of their original order and when/if you have to do this there is no remaining stub -- you don't have enough cards to deal out a round. Besides asking a player (in our game everyone deals for themselves) to remember to burn cards and to possibly have to re-mix the deck in the middle of a hand is asking way too much.

By skipping burns its actually out of order from how they are supposed to be... But I'd rather this not turn into an argument about that. Either way if you train your players to do it right it ls not a problem. Just got to get to very the hump.

Keeping burns especially for draw games are critical. Otherwise there is no visual indication as to what street you are on. I highly recommend doing it for all games to be consistent.

 

[Andrew Marks]

We do burns for all holdem/omaha type games, but just not for stud. Just a house preference I guess.

 

[Chicken Rob]

The whole purpose of burns is so that no one can see a marked card on top of the stub during a betting round and gain an advantage. Markings can be inadvertent, not necessarily nefarious, and I think it is good practice to burn after each betting round before each deal. That's just me, and my home game.

I will go with no burn before the turn and river in a 9 handed Big O game with the right crowd, but the crowd I am considering would 100% call for a new setup is a marked card were ever detected.

 

[rjbf65]

Has anyone played 8 game or draw and/or stud poker in a casino? Just wondering how they handle this.

 

[abby99]

Has anyone played 8 game or draw and/or stud poker in a casino? Just wondering how they handle this.

Yes, I have. They burn before every round of draws and before every street of stud. If there are too many players at the table for a draw game, the player to the left of the big blind is dealt out. Location: Harrah's Las Vegas.

PS - Was that ever a fun game! Most of the other players were dealers from other casinos.

 

[ohio3302016]

Casinos always burn during stud games.