Tourney Dealer gives 7th card open face in Razz

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The dealer makes a mistake and gives the 7th card open face.

What to do?

funnily enough, this came up as part of the discussion recently in the WSOP live stream either during the razz event or during the razz round of the 50K. steve albini was in the booth and said that there is always disagreement when it happens during events at the series because east coast and west coast rule on the error differently.

on the east coast: if one or more but less than all players are dealt 7th face up, those players with upcards on 7th keep the card, but get the option of being considered all-in (i.e., they can neither make nor call any further bets, but they are entitled to their share of the then-existing pot). play continues as normal for remaining players in the hand.

on the west coast: if one or more but less than all players are dealt 7th face up, the deal continues and all players will receive 7th face up and action will continue as normal.

there is also a provision in RROP, but i can't recall which of the above rules it follows.

OP is unclear whether some or all players have received 7th face up. if all players, i would just proceed as normal. if some players, i would determine which of the above rules you prefer and go with that from now on.
 

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funnily enough, this came up as part of the discussion recently in the WSOP live stream either during the razz event or during the razz round of the 50K. steve albini was in the booth and said that there is always disagreement when it happens during events at the series because east coast and west coast rule on the error differently.

on the east coast: if one or more but less than all players are dealt 7th face up, those players with upcards on 7th keep the card, but get the option of being considered all-in (i.e., they can neither make nor call any further bets, but they are entitled to their share of the then-existing pot). play continues as normal for remaining players in the hand.

on the west coast: if one or more but less than all players are dealt 7th face up, the deal continues and all players will receive 7th face up and action will continue as normal.

there is also a provision in RROP, but i can't recall which of the above rules it follows.

OP is unclear whether some or all players have received 7th face up. if all players, i would just proceed as normal. if some players, i would determine which of the above rules you prefer and go with that from now on.


What if the game is heads up?
 

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What if the game is heads up?

then decide which of the above rules you'd prefer to use and go with it. obviously the rule should be known before the hand begins. if not until after, then you'll have to make an executive decision...
 

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funnily enough, this came up as part of the discussion recently in the WSOP live stream either during the razz event or during the razz round of the 50K. steve albini was in the booth and said that there is always disagreement when it happens during events at the series because east coast and west coast rule on the error differently.

on the east coast: if one or more but less than all players are dealt 7th face up, those players with upcards on 7th keep the card, but get the option of being considered all-in (i.e., they can neither make nor call any further bets, but they are entitled to their share of the then-existing pot). play continues as normal for remaining players in the hand.

on the west coast: if one or more but less than all players are dealt 7th face up, the deal continues and all players will receive 7th face up and action will continue as normal.

there is also a provision in RROP, but i can't recall which of the above rules it follows.

OP is unclear whether some or all players have received 7th face up. if all players, i would just proceed as normal. if some players, i would determine which of the above rules you prefer and go with that from now on.

What if game is in the exact geographical center of the United States?
 

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What if game is in the exact geographical center of the United States?

you defer in that case to the GKROP (garrison keillor rules of poker) which provide that each player must list honestly the moral transgressions he or she has committed in the last week and the one which is more blameless is allowed to choose between east and west coast rules.
 

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Rrop states that all players will then receive 7th face up
 
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