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I'm ordering som stuff from MPC and thought I'd add a few decks of custom cards to go together with my custom CPC chips. Is there anything particular I should be careful about (other than perfect symmetry)?

Some notes:
  • I'd like'em to be simple casino style, as it is supposed to be a fictive casino.
  • I'd like to go with a golden-ish color, for obvious reasons; I don't think I need to have two colors (or do I?); What CMYK should I use to represent gold, but still be readable?
Here is a first mockup, any comments & suggestions are welcome. If you happen to have a nice background for me (vector), I'd appreciate alternative options.

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So where do you get these cards? Mpc say nothing to me i'm afraid... Plastic cards? What kind of money per deck are we talking about?

Looks very cool. I personally don't prefer full bleed backs, i like a white border. But the design you have is very classy and looks great.
 

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Oh, sorry... it's MakePlayingCards (OP updated). I read in an earlier thread that they're quite ok, especially given the price and no-MOQ. Yes, I'll go for plastic. Price $17.55/deck for 6-29 pcs (shrinkwrapped, no tuck).

I too prefer a white border, but it seems (someone correct me if I'm wrong) that casino decks do tend to have full bleed.
 

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I actually prefer the monochromatic backs and think the design is great.

I have experience working with MPC and doing a run of around 40 decks with two different backs.

The MPC interface for deck creation is great and super easy for customizing the entire deck. (We did a run with our own court cards, joker, and guarantee card. In truth I did the entire set of faces custom, because once you do court cards and change suit symbols and index, you will want to make all the ranks match).

Solid options for producing your own boxes or using off-the-shelf plastic cases (though disappointing they did not have options for two-deck "setup" cases, at least when I did my run two years ago).

They are on time and very good about notices on production and shipping.

The decks look wonderful. The printing is detailed and does not run or smudge.

However, the cards attract grime and dirt and soon become sticky and unplayable. This has happened with every one of our group that has tried to put these cards into play on a regular basis.

For getting custom plastic cards made with no minimum order at a reasonable price, MPC is a great option, and I would not hesitate to use them again.

But you are going to want to use these once or twice, and for the most part treat them like collectibles.

Stick to your commercially available cards for your actual gaming devices.
 

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Hm, custom faces too... that's definitely worth considering, especially given how similar clubs and spades are (as someone pointed out, and it is indeed the case).
It also gives me some ideas on whom to put on K, Q and J :D.

Next question - jumbo or not? 4 colors or 2? I read some threads about it, but can't remember whether a consensus was ever reached... are both of this dilemmas just personal preference or are there standards for certain types of games (in this case, poker)?
 

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Really like your designs, very classy! Bridge/jumbo/2 colors and it’s not even close imo
 

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Hm, bridge >> poker... care to elaborate?
 

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Hm, bridge >> poker... care to elaborate?

Slightly narrower - preferable for handling hands with more cards, such as those in Omaha, lowball draw games, etc.

If you are going to go the custom face route, I highly suggest grabbing this font by Harold Lohner for use with the indexes: http://haroldsfonts.com/portfolio/card-characters/

The reason being there is a secondary font with half-width numbers, so you can get a 10 that is the same width as 2-9
 

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Does your design has anything to do with Brussels? Mennekenpis figurine is quite obvious referrence...

Not Brussels specifically, but that is absolutely Manneken Pis.

Our group has latched on to Manneken Pis as a mascot, by way of the replica that the the D casino in Las Vegas put out in front of their hotel.

As a result we have our own replica. Although being English speakers we nickname him Manny rather than Ketje

Here's Manny hanging out at one of our games.

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Casino cards were all full bleed but I think they are increasingly introducing white borders to avoid edge sorting advantage plays in table games, so either choice is good.

It's your casino brand, but for my 2c this gold color comes across as more yellow. At least compared to other "gold" casino cards I've seen it's very bright and saturated.

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So where do you get these cards? Mpc say nothing to me i'm afraid... Plastic cards? What kind of money per deck are we talking about?

Looks very cool. I personally don't prefer full bleed backs, i like a white border. But the design you have is very classy and looks great.
Hi I got 3 - 2 deck setups (have another red/blue) from MPC 100% Plastic Bridge Jumbo Index size with white borders. The cards feel pretty nice. They are a bit on the expensive side at $20 for a single deck. Here is my complaint with the white borders. I don’t feel that the white borders were cut evenly between the cards. Some white borders are little smaller or bigger between some of the cards. Some people got them without the borders and they said they look fine. I think the issue with the borders only will come into effect if you have an Edge Sorting expert in your game.
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@StevieG did you have any problems with the border cuts in your cards? Your borders seemed thicker then mine.

Our borders may be artificially more indented because Manneken Pis's elbow goes outside the drawn line. I think that is why it appears thicker.

Your design is fantastic by the way. I have seen the full thread of cards and chips (that bounty is brilliant) and I was wondering where you got the cards done. Just a very clean, classic, geometric design that employs the fighter jet well.
 

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Our borders may be artificially more indented because Manneken Pis's elbow goes outside the drawn line. I think that is why it appears thicker.

Your design is fantastic by the way. I have seen the full thread of cards and chips (that bounty is brilliant) and I was wondering where you got the cards done. Just a very clean, classic, geometric design that employs the fighter jet well.
Thank You Very Much!!!
 

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Hi I got 3 - 2 deck setups (have another red/blue) from MPC 100% Plastic Bridge Jumbo Index size with white borders. The cards feel pretty nice. They are a bit on the expensive side at $20 for a single deck. Here is my complaint with the white borders. I don’t feel that the white borders were cut evenly between the cards. Some white borders are little smaller or bigger between some of the cards. Some people got them without the borders and they said they look fine. I think the issue with the borders only will come into effect if you have an Edge Sorting expert in your game.View attachment 479763
Hm, did you ever complain about the borders? For a $20 deck it should be as perfect as possible...
 

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Hm, did you ever complain about the borders? For a $20 deck it should be as perfect as possible...
It is as perfect as possible for a $20 deck. The cut after the printing is done with a margin of 1 to 2 mm. That's how much the cut can move around your design and they won't redo the job if the design is off centered by less than 2 mm... that's very usual in printing...
 

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Well, that depends on what is being printed. For a deck of cards, I'd say 2 mm is too much...
 

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Well, that depends on what is being printed. For a deck of cards, I'd say 2 mm is too much...
I guess it doesn't depend on what you are printing. The machines are the same for a larger print. In printing, at the beginning of a batch, the first pages are lost to allow better alignment or color corrections. In the case of printing a few decks, they can't have a lot of theses lost pages just for 1 sheet. Same for cutting I'd say, they won't reprint and recut if the cut is offecentered by only 1 or 2 mm...
My local labels printer gives me a tolerance of 4 mm for a 22mm label. He is extra careful when cutting my label orders but if it's not perfect I have to deal with it :/
 

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My local printing company cuts labels perfectly (not a 0.2 mm off, and I would see it since they tend to be small).

However, when they cut boxes, indeed it's a completely different story.
 

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My local printing company cuts labels perfectly
Mine too 99% of the time, because he is careful with the cut. But MPC can't and won't try to be perfect and if you complain they only say that they will be more careful next time ;)
 

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I think the issue with the borders only will come into effect if you have an Edge Sorting expert in your game.
Your cards are awesome.
The solution to the offcentered cut might be to avoid the white border around the design. But on a design point of view, it's very very nice !
 
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