Craps Table Attempt (1 Viewer)

iballman

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Ok, as aforementioned, I attempted to build a craps table over the past week. There were primarily two reasons: 1) I wanted to display my horseshoe chips 2) I wanted to see if I could actually do it. I was kind of on a budget and would have preferred to buy one, but I could find anything under $1K, so I think I popped this out for a reasonable cost. The killer costs are the rubber and the felt. I haven't got to the rails yet, but since this was a hobby related item, that can be saved for the winter months. It is still very playable. I had some spare cherry wood from a previous cabinet build that I used for the dealer areas so that's why it's a bit choppy looking. I tried to take special effort to design something that comes apart, so if you have questions, let me know.

Well, anyways here it is.

PS: Please don't make fun of my golf shaft stick...you don't realize how difficult it is to buy a decent rattan stick online. Plus it is pretty sweet to use. : )
 

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Very nice! Cut down the Koho in the background and use that as your rattan, looks like it is probably a straight blade.
 
Excellent job! Also, that bright layout makes it pop.

Also, that stick gives it some character! I got my stick from Kardwell a long time ago, and it was really good quality. I'm not sure if they still carry the same ones, but might be worth a shot.
 
Excellent job! Also, that bright layout makes it pop.

Also, that stick gives it some character! I got my stick from Kardwell a long time ago, and it was really good quality. I'm not sure if they still carry the same ones, but might be worth a shot.

Yeah, I think that's my next try. If I ever need some new Gemco's, the stick will be with that order.

The KOHO is for nostalgic purposes and to gather the golf balls I hit into my net. LOL
 
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Thanks for all the kind words everyone.

Looking good! Where'd you get the felt?

I ordered it from the casinosupply.com. It's called the Monaco craps layout, 10'. I like it best over the others because it has the little marks on the place bet area. Most do not have those on the layouts.
 
I've been thinking about building a craps table. Do you guys deal the game or hire someone?
 
I know all of the keys for figuring out prop bets. I have them in a manual somewhere as well. If I can find it maybe I can upload a pic. Interested?
Example: 3 way crap LOWSIDE (3 hits) 4x bet + 1/3 HIGHSIDE (2/12 hits) 9x bet + 1/3. These keys keep bet up for next roll.
 
I know all of the keys for figuring out prop bets. I have them in a manual somewhere as well. If I can find it maybe I can upload a pic. Interested?
Example: 3 way crap LOWSIDE (3 hits) 4x bet + 1/3 HIGHSIDE (2/12 hits) 9x bet + 1/3. These keys keep bet up for next roll.

Yeah, I would love it!!!
 
I know all of the keys for figuring out prop bets. I have them in a manual somewhere as well. If I can find it maybe I can upload a pic. Interested?
Example: 3 way crap LOWSIDE (3 hits) 4x bet + 1/3 HIGHSIDE (2/12 hits) 9x bet + 1/3. These keys keep bet up for next roll.

I'd like that too
 
Dude that thing is amazing. I'm looking into making a table topper for my unused pool table to use for parties. This gives me some ideas. For now the project is on the back burner because I'm thinking more and more about making a roulette game with a few modifications to make it more favorable to the players. The normal 5.26% house edge is a bit steep when you want people to be able to come out ahead.
 
Wow this is pretty great. I've never played craps but I see chips, gambling, beer and fun haha. Why not.

Is there anyway to have the players play against each other vs against the house?
 
The way I thought I could do it so the house wasn't funding it would be...

Everyone contribute say $30 or any amount of money the group decides on and gets $500 in chips. The house gets as many as the sum of all players get x2. When the game is over you take the percentage of chips each person has vs the overall total of chips and he gets that percentage of the overall money.
 
The way I thought I could do it so the house wasn't funding it would be...

Everyone contribute say $30 or any amount of money the group decides on and gets $500 in chips. The house gets as many as the sum of all players get x2. When the game is over you take the percentage of chips each person has vs the overall total of chips and he gets that percentage of the overall money.

What happens if the house ends up with all the chips, which should happen as time approaches infinity. What about rebuys?
 
If the house wins it all the money would just be redistributed between all the players. If a person had to rebuy there would be more money in the overall pot at the end of the game and he'd just have more invested but would still just get the percentage based on how many chips he cashed out.
 
If the house wins it all the money would just be redistributed between all the players. If a person had to rebuy there would be more money in the overall pot at the end of the game and he'd just have more invested but would still just get the percentage based on how many chips he cashed out.

Mmmm so the % splitting should probably not use the total overall chips in play (including the banks), but the chips in the hands off all the players correct?
 
I was thinking of doing several mini games in an evening of fun. Everyone starts with 300 chips, we play for a predetermined length of time like 5 orbits or 20 pass/fail points. The person with the most chips at the end wins, 2nd, 3rd, etc... We take turns dealing and working the stick which is a pretty fun aspect. It also gives early busters more opportunities to try again.
 
Mmmm so the % splitting should probably not use the total overall chips in play (including the banks), but the chips in the hands off all the players correct?

Maybe I'm thinking this up wrong but here was kind what I was thinking. Say there are 4 players just for simplicity sake. We all contribute $20 into the bank. Total chips in play are lets say 400 (200 that went to the players (50 chips per person) and 200 in the bank). By contributing $20 we technically own our 50 chips that we were given plus 50 in the bank). Total bank is $80 bucks. One person has to buy in for another $20 because he busted. Now the bank has $100. At the end of the night when we all cash out If I have 50% of the total chips that were in play I'd get 50 bucks. Another guy might only get 10 bucks for having 10% of the chips in play. As long as it equals 100% we'd be good. Maybe it'd be easier just to do what iballman said though idk.
 
Maybe I'm thinking this up wrong but here was kind what I was thinking. Say there are 4 players just for simplicity sake. We all contribute $20 into the bank. Total chips in play are lets say 400 (200 that went to the players (50 chips per person) and 200 in the bank). By contributing $20 we technically own our 50 chips that we were given plus 50 in the bank). Total bank is $80 bucks. One person has to buy in for another $20 because he busted. Now the bank has $100. At the end of the night when we all cash out If I have 50% of the total chips that were in play I'd get 50 bucks. Another guy might only get 10 bucks for having 10% of the chips in play. As long as it equals 100% we'd be good. Maybe it'd be easier just to do what iballman said though idk.

Yeah I still dont know how the banks chips get cashed out. Because say you have 20% off all the chips at the end, and another guy has 10%, and the bank as 70%, how do you divide up the $100? $66 & $34??

In theory this could work, but a smart player would just sit out and bet minimal amounts so that he doesnt bust out, and just wait for the bank to accumulate chips as the house always wins over time. He will basically build equity in the banks chips by playing the bare minimum or sitting out. This would suck.
 
Yeah I still dont know how the banks chips get cashed out. Because say you have 20% off all the chips at the end, and another guy has 10%, and the bank as 70%, how do you divide up the $100? $66 & $34??

In theory this could work, but a smart player would just sit out and bet minimal amounts so that he doesnt bust out, and just wait for the bank to accumulate chips as the house always wins over time. He will basically build equity in the banks chips by playing the bare minimum or sitting out. This would suck.

Well, this might be true if the assumption is everyone loses. If everyone else wins, then the one person remaining idle loses equity.
 
I read a really good article about player funded bank for craps which is where my idea came from but I can't find it anymore and I'm sure I didn't remember it 100% correctly.
 
Found it! It was actually a thread.

Basically, ALL of the players have an equal share of the house (or the bank). By using percentages, you can let people fund the bank for their comfort level, so one person can put more in if the others are agreeable. Percentage put in, will be your percentage to take out at end of night.
(example: 5 players. ONE puts in $100, and the other 4 put in $25 each. ONE has a 50% share of the bank, the other 4 each have a 12.5% share.)

If the bank runs out of money, you would have to decide whether or not to restock it. Obviously, the money is still in the room, and most likely, it is evenly distributed amongst most of the players.

There are a couple of other variations to consider.

ONE: Allow the stick to also have bets in action. That way if a shooter gets hot, the stick is not left out of the action. Of course, if the stick did not put any funding into the bank, then this is not a problem.

TWO: Play 3-4-5x odds, but allow the shooter to take 5x odds on any point. That way the good shooter gets a bit of an extra win over the other players.
(The high odds are a risk to the bank though, so you may want to play single odds, and let the shooter take 2x odds).

EXAMPLE:
To keep it simple, I am going to do it on a $5 table. (You can make it a $.05 table at home, and reduce the numbers by a factor of 100). Also, keep in mind that even if the bank goes broke, most of the players will have gotten their money back that they put into the bank. It's not like they lost ALL of their funding money.

Time for our Friday night game.

5 Players show up. Each player puts $500 in the TILL for the bank, so each player has a 20% share of the bank. Bank is given $2,500 in chips. This $500 bank funding includes $100 in chips for each player.
Game will be single odds, but the shooter can take 2x odds.
Now, each player gets their $100 in chips directly from the bank. The initial amount handed out has to be equal to their bank share.
So the bank now has $2,000 in chips, and each player has $100 in chips.
If a player loses all of their chips, they may buy more chips from the bank.

Player A loses his chips, so he pulls out $100 more in cash, and the cash goes into the TILL. The stick gives the player $100 in chips from the bank.
Player A still has only 20% of the bank. This additional buy in was player money, not the initial bank funding.

Player B loses his chips, but he decides not to play anymore. He is elected permanent stickman, and learns not to be a loser again.
Let's say nobody else runs out of chips, and at the end of the night, players A,C,D,E each have exactly $100 in chips in front of them.
The TILL has $2600 in it. $2500 from the initial funding plus $100 from Player A.
A,C,D,E each get $100 in cash from the TILL for their chips. TILL has $2,200 left.
Each player has a 20% share, so each player receives $440. TILL has $0 left.

So what happened?
Players C,D, and E all brought $500 to the game. They started playing with $100 in chips, and they ended with $100 in chips, so they were even for their craps play.
They received $100 in cash for their chips, and they received $440 from the bank, so they finished with $540, a $40 profit on the night.

Player B brought $500 to the game. They lost their initial chips, did not buy in for anymore, so they got $0 for cashing in. But they get $440 back for their 20% of the bank, thus they lost $60 on the night. (They get back 20% of their $100 they lost, plus they get back 20% of the $100 Player A lost, or $40).

Player A brought $500 to the game initially, but then bought in for another $100. He finished the game with $100 in chips (so he really lost $100 playing the game). He got $100 in cash for his chips, and he received $440 from the bank, so he now has $540 in cash, but since he bought in for $600, he has a $60 loss. (He also go back $20 from his $100 loss, and he got $20 from Player B's $100 loss).

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It sounds confusing, but it really isn't. Just set your initial funding of the bank, give each 'banker' an amount of chips (based on their bank share) from the bank, and then play craps normally from there. More cash goes into the till, and the chips come from the bank. At the end of the night, each player gets cash for the chips in front of them, and then the rest of the money is split up by the initial funding percentage.

Final note. You really don't need to put the $500 in cash from each player in the TILL. Once you get used to doing this, you realize it is just an accounting entry.
Suppose one player lost their initial chips, and did not buy back in. And later the bank goes broke. That player has lost 100% of whatever their funding amount was.

Play with friends and people you can trust!
If someone slips more chips into play, the bank will be underfunded, and everyone else gets screwed.
 
Congrats on the table, you do nice work. Craps is my very favorite game and I just love every time a thread like this pops up.
I've got a rattan and boat that I'm not using and would like to donate them to your project. PM your addy if interested.
 

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