CPC or start small? Advice on better stacks for tourney too (1 Viewer)

[StevenM]

My buddy sold his house and I took ownership of the table and chairs so I’m going to need a respectable chip set to host what usually is 10-16 guys for tournament play.
He had 1000 non-denom Chips 400-300-200-100. We usually play T6000 50x20, 100x20, 500x4, 1000x1 with first level 50/100. We do rebuys for the first hour but it’s not too loose of a game.
So I’d love advice on two fronts, what chips to look for and what denominations because quality chips, unless CPC custom, all have denominations.
Been looking at CC and Paulson/BCC/etc over ceramics. I’m more of a traditionalist in terms of style. I prefer things that look good forever.
Chip wise I’m looking at everything from Milano’s to Majestics to CPC hot stamp Atlantic’s to some BCC sets I see here.
Paulsons look great but I’m trying to build a big enough set fast without breaking the bank.
I hate to spend money on something I won’t like in a year and that’s depreciated to where I’ll get 10 cents on the dollar when I’m ready to upgrade.
I know there are lots of talking points here so hit me with some wisdom from your experiences - I love learning from people who’ve been where I am now.

 

[Jonesey07]

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/sun-fly-mountain-top-casino-gb-interest.28934/

 

[Jonesey07]

Whoops, just saw you weren't looking at ceramics. I would advise you at least take a look at these. They are beautiful and stack/handle so well.

 

[Mtvernonbryan]

Cpc

 

[RichMahogany]

You mentioned not wanting to look for ceramics, but don’t knock them all until you tried the Sun Fly ceramic “hybrids” available through the ongoing GB mentioned in post #2. I’d rate them much higher than CC chips in terms of feel, stacking, chip thickness, and longevity. This leads me to my next 3 points;

1)get samples

2)ditch the useless 50 denom and start with a T25 chip, or T100 chip.

3)get samples

Edit: you also mentioned not wanting a set to depreciate too badly after purchasing? Another reason to avoid China Clay chips.

 

[allforcharity]

Ceramics will look good forever. FAR better than CC's, and fully customizable.
The Hybrid group buy going on right now might be one of your best bets for price.

 

[Nex]

Ceramics will look good forever. FAR better than CC's

Can't really leave that uncommented.
Ceramics are white blanks that get sublimation printed. The color goes a tiny little "below the skin" but ultimately it does rub off - even against other chips. They definitely will not look good forever; or at least clays (and CCs) will look better far longer as the whole material throughout the chip is colored with those.

 

[BGinGA]

^^ Yer outta yer mind.

Ceramics will last a lifetime with normal home use. It requires ~years~ of constant casino-patron induced wear for the dye-sub printing to wear off.

China clays, on the other hand, have inherent issues straight from the factory -- consistency problems with color, diameter, and thickness -- not to mention the fact that many of them start to literally crumble after just a few years, regardless of usage levels or storage methods. They are the disposables of the chip world, and the cheap price reflects that fact.

 

[dickzapper]

The group buy is a great option but he did mention building a set "fast." From this point to delivery you could assume the gb is at least, what, 5-7 months out?

I don't think it's really a good move to go CPC for your intro set. There was a thread recently I agreed with with the tone 'why go Atlantic Club when you can custom?' but I think a chipper needs at least year chipping before they really start to understand what they would like out of customs.

Out of the options mentioned I think a reasonable BCC tourney set is the way to go. It's unlikely someone will no longer like their BCC after a year and if so they retain plenty of resale potential. Paulson's don't have to be an impossibility either if you don't mind worn solid chips with random monograms on them.

 

[Shaggy]

Used china clays will hold their value. They likely won't last a lifetime. When you are ready to sell, you will likely get most of your money back. You can then upgrade to used Paulsons or custom CPCs.

 

[RichMahogany]

There’s also this BCC Fun Nite tourney set for sale from @upNdown. Great price for a BCC tournament set that you could always sell if you don’t like them. Hurry though, I believe he’s pulling the ad if they don’t sell today.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...5-bcc-fun-nite-695-chips-2-3-table-set.28556/

 

[Coyote]

I prefer things that look good forever.

I hate to spend money on something ... that’s depreciated to where I’ll get 10 cents on the dollar when I’m ready to upgrade.

Fellow newbie here, having just placed an order with CPC.

The first line of yours I quoted means that you can't eventually escape CPC or Paulson, so just don't spend money on anything else.

The second line is trickier. Only used Paulsons seem to be marketable (even profitably) anytime till the end of time. It takes a lot of money, patience, luck and alertness to assemble a big set as you like it.
With CPC, the more personal you go in terms of everything, such as base colors and, especially, inlay concept (i.e. anything beyond horseshoes, casino names and longhorn skulls), denoms (i.e. non-denoms or "weird/useless" ones that just you and your players may like), the less this set will mean to others, the less useable by others, the less money you 'll get if you ever (God forbid) attempt to sell it.

That having been said, get all possible samples to see and touch in person, and prepare for a long journey of learning and emotion management (with the ultimate aim of satisfying emotion, however) before you order anything.

 

[BGinGA]

The group buy is a great option but he did mention building a set "fast." From this point to delivery you could assume the gb is at least, what, 5-7 months out?

More like 5-7 weeks, tops.

Used china clays will hold their value. They likely won't last a lifetime. When you are ready to sell, you will likely get most of your money back.

Used china clays, maybe, but certainly not new ones. Most used china clay chips sell for about 75% of what they cost new.

 

[v1pe]

More like 5-7 weeks, tops.




Used china clays, maybe, but certainly not new ones. Most used china clay chips sell for about 75% of what they cost new.

I suppose anything 51% and above could be considered "most" or the "majority" of your initial cost ...

I agree though, I really don't think you can find a better value for an introductory set than these 43mm hybrid group buys. There are two going right now and both designs are awesome IMO.

Next step up to me would be casino used Paulson's or CPC Atlantic Clubs in the $1-$1.50 per chip range.

I started out with a great set of Majestics and they've seen probably 6-8 games before I've replaced them. I'm keeping them for now as a travel set, but I don't think I'll ever use them at home again.

 

[Jonesey07]

I suppose anything 51% and above could be considered "most" or the "majority" of your initial cost ...

I agree though, I really don't think you can find a better value for an introductory set than these 43mm hybrid group buys. There are two going right now and both designs are awesome IMO.

Next step up to me would be casino used Paulson's or CPC Atlantic Clubs in the $1-$1.50 per chip range.

I started out with a great set of Majestics and they've seen probably 6-8 games before I've replaced them. I'm keeping them for now as a travel set, but I don't think I'll ever use them at home again.

You and those majestics. Hahaha

 

[v1pe]

You and those majestics. Hahaha

Lol, I have a hard time selling things!

 

[RowdyRawhide]

As far as holding value a limited time GB is prob as close as you're gonna get. I'd wager that if you order GB chips and don't like them you can get 95% of your money back if not make money on them. They are bought on quantity enough to get a price break over ordering your own custom hybrid set (unless you need a metric shit ton) AND usually people that missed out are usually wanting sone as well as others that ordered and may want to add on

 

[BGinGA]

I really don't think you can find a better value for an introductory set than these 43mm hybrid group buys. There are two going right now and both designs are awesome IMO.

Next step up to me would be casino used Paulson's or CPC Atlantic Clubs in the $1-$1.50 per chip range.

The Gemaco promotional chips are also a pretty good value for under a buck each for mint clay chips.

 

[BGinGA]

As far as holding value a limited time GB is prob as close as you're gonna get. I'd wager that if you order GB chips and don't like them you can get 95% of your money back if not make money on them. They are bought on quantity enough to get a price break over ordering your own custom hybrid set (unless you need a metric shit ton) AND usually people that missed out are usually wanting sone as well as others that ordered and may want to add on

Agree totally. I've been offered over 3x what I paid for one set of group buy hybrids, and nearly twice what I paid for another group buy set. They seem to be in demand, given the high replacement cost of small orders.

 

[v1pe]

The Gemaco promotional chips are also a pretty good value for under a buck each for mint clay chips.

Definitely true. I didn't think about the Apache offering.

 

[Shaggy]

Used china clays, maybe, but certainly not new ones. Most used china clay chips sell for about 75% of what they cost new.

Agreed. The intent of my statement was that OP should buy a used CC set. He could then resell them for likely near what he paid.

 

[StevenM]

There’s also this BCC Fun Nite tourney set for sale from @upNdown. Great price for a BCC tournament set that you could always sell if you don’t like them. Hurry though, I believe he’s pulling the ad if they don’t sell today.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...5-bcc-fun-nite-695-chips-2-3-table-set.28556/

Yeah I’m learning he the forum works, damn me!, and missed out on these....in my back yard no less...life lessons

 

[StevenM]

The GB idea sounds intriguing especially after seeing pics of the past orders....
Not sure if the Mountains are my preference after seeing those other orders with edge spot and other designs beyond the obvious inlay variations.
I’ve gotten samples of I think 11 different chips from apache, CPC, tiki, Nevada jack, claysmith. This includes a small sample set of Paulson horseshoes.
I’ve gotta work on finding samples of the 43mm GB chips to check them out...Nothing beats having them in your hands.
Molds do make a difference as evidenced by the rounders A vs. scrolls, both sweet but different.
And the CPC definitely feel like they want some play, like a couple hundred games, to start hitting their stride.
Am I off or is that what you all think about CPC?
They seem so sharp brandy new

 

[Schmendr1ck]

^^ Yer outta yer mind.

Ceramics will last a lifetime with normal home use. It requires ~years~ of constant casino-patron induced wear for the dye-sub printing to wear off.

China clays, on the other hand, have inherent issues straight from the factory -- consistency problems with color, diameter, and thickness -- not to mention the fact that many of them start to literally crumble after just a few years, regardless of usage levels or storage methods. They are the disposables of the chip world, and the cheap price reflects that fact.

+1 to this entire post, except perhaps for the "Yer outta yer mind" part.

I've got a set of ceramics (Caribbean Poker Classics) that saw an unknown amount of casino-style usage before I got them, and then have seen weekly play for going on a couple years now, and they still look basically like they did when I got them. The worst wear I've seen on ceramics were the old Daytona Beach chips that had been in daily casino play for nearly a decade - some of these chips were mostly white by the time they finally retired them.

OTOH, the $1 chips in my Pharoah's CC set have deteriorated to the point where I can't use them without brushing piles of white flea-bites off the table after a single session. I was a big fan of CCs early on, but for a long-term investment I'd go with compression molded chips or ceramics.