CPC Hot Stamped Chips with Stock Dies (1 Viewer)

detroitdad said:
It isn't
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Who do I contact to order them?

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steelcity16 said:
Can you please elaborate on the issue with CPC Hot Stamp wear issues (if there truly are any). I am looking at ordering a custom set, but if there are wear issues with the stamps I am not sure I want to drop that kind of money.
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They are cold stamps, they do not get pressed into the chip with heat. So they are only stamped onto the surface. Below are some examples that the stamp didn't fully press onto the chip, the wear is not from use, they are new. This is the common drawback to CPCs stamping.

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They are hot stamps, you can see the press into the clay, we had some nickles a while back that I think @Shaggy ran the group buy. With a quick wash of water and dish soap every so lightly and then oiling the stamps were coming off like they were never actually in the chip.

When I recieved @Highli99 HS sample set I skipped the cleaning scared it would damage the stamps and just oiled then and even still above you can see the stamp coming off. These chips were never played, brand new chips. Also have a Rosises Bayou HS sample and @Frogzilla HS sample and I believe CPC hot stamped all of these chips and they all have the same issue, even barely oiling them, cleaning them, hell even handling them... the hot straps start wearing off very quickly! They are not a deep stamp like casino grade stamps that are deep and made to hold up to punishment at the poker tables.

Of course with any hot stamps you have to be careful, it is not a permanent application, it is gold foil pressed into a chip, if you are reckless with cleaning (scrubbing the faces with a Magic eraser or high strenght brush) you can easily remove the gold foil from the stamps. But having successfully hand cleaned thousands of them myself, the grade of the stamps on the CPC chips we have seen is not of equal to casino grade stamps.
 
The issue with CPC stamping is that they don’t stamp deep enough.

The fundamental principle is the same regardless of who stamps the chips - the is a die that gets heated, that is pressed into foil, held on the chip for a certain amount of time at a specific pressure. That is a hot stamp.

Cold stamp is a PCF creation and it used to refer to stamping with ink. Generally on chips that couldn’t be hot stamped.

There are three basic types of hot stamping machines. Light use manual (any of the Kingsley M- models for example), Light use pneumatic (Kingsley AM- models), and then a multitude of commercial grade high output machines.

The manual machine is an art form - you can set the temp, but the pressure on dwell time is dependent on the user. Tough to get consistent results, but when you get rolling it’s great. Not very quick.

The pneumatic machine takes the variable of the dwell time and pressure out. You just need to get it dialled in. Pretty quick after setup.

Commercial machines are great for high production, on lower quality chips.

The issues with clay chips are multiple and variable.

All colours stamp at a slightly different temp.

All colours stamp at a slightly different pressure.

All colours stamp at a slightly different dwell time.

All of the above is compounded by what mold is used.

All of the above is also compounded with the slight variation in the face of the chips.

The ones that @FordPickup92 posted are lower one the side that didn’t get the stamp (or higher on the side that did).

The only way I figured out to overcome this was by stamping deeper. The issue with stamper deeper is that you create flash around the stamp that then needs to be scraped off (see old TRK stamps and you can see the razor marks). I don’t think that CPC wants to get into offering that as a service. It’s not a ton of fun.

To my knowledge, there isn’t a “casino grade” stamp, but there may be crappy foil on the market. I found a good supplier and then stuck with them.

I’ve had my set that I stamped probably 10 years ago that sees regular usage - there are zero issues with stamps fading.

I’ve also stamped some BCC chips that the stamps looked like the CPC ones - the clay is just different (MSpatton had the same issue, I think SOK was the only one that crushed them on a regular basis).

I’d recommend going with a third party for now. At a minimum the die costs will be much better than CPC.
 
monkeydog said:
The issue with CPC stamping is that they don’t stamp deep enough.

The fundamental principle is the same regardless of who stamps the chips - the is a die that gets heated, that is pressed into foil, held on the chip for a certain amount of time at a specific pressure. That is a hot stamp.

Cold stamp is a PCF creation and it used to refer to stamping with ink. Generally on chips that couldn’t be hot stamped.

There are three basic types of hot stamping machines. Light use manual (any of the Kingsley M- models for example), Light use pneumatic (Kingsley AM- models), and then a multitude of commercial grade high output machines.

The manual machine is an art form - you can set the temp, but the pressure on dwell time is dependent on the user. Tough to get consistent results, but when you get rolling it’s great. Not very quick.

The pneumatic machine takes the variable of the dwell time and pressure out. You just need to get it dialled in. Pretty quick after setup.

Commercial machines are great for high production, on lower quality chips.

The issues with clay chips are multiple and variable.

All colours stamp at a slightly different temp.

All colours stamp at a slightly different pressure.

All colours stamp at a slightly different dwell time.

All of the above is compounded by what mold is used.

All of the above is also compounded with the slight variation in the face of the chips.

The ones that @FordPickup92 posted are lower one the side that didn’t get the stamp (or higher on the side that did).

The only way I figured out to overcome this was by stamping deeper. The issue with stamper deeper is that you create flash around the stamp that then needs to be scraped off (see old TRK stamps and you can see the razor marks). I don’t think that CPC wants to get into offering that as a service. It’s not a ton of fun.

To my knowledge, there isn’t a “casino grade” stamp, but there may be crappy foil on the market. I found a good supplier and then stuck with them.

I’ve had my set that I stamped probably 10 years ago that sees regular usage - there are zero issues with stamps fading.

I’ve also stamped some BCC chips that the stamps looked like the CPC ones - the clay is just different (MSpatton had the same issue, I think SOK was the only one that crushed them on a regular basis).

I’d recommend going with a third party for now. At a minimum the die costs will be much better than CPC.
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10 years and regular use? Sounds awesome! Not sure I have seen your customs any shots of the stamps?

We also own a set of ASMs stamped by @Cliff on FDL mold Blanks and I love them! Not all of them stamps are perfect but love that they are silver stamps, nice colors
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Also a nice stamp depth that seems will last a long time.
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Definitely not something you see everyday.
 
monkeydog said:
The issue with CPC stamping is that they don’t stamp deep enough.

The fundamental principle is the same regardless of who stamps the chips - the is a die that gets heated, that is pressed into foil, held on the chip for a certain amount of time at a specific pressure. That is a hot stamp.

Cold stamp is a PCF creation and it used to refer to stamping with ink. Generally on chips that couldn’t be hot stamped.

There are three basic types of hot stamping machines. Light use manual (any of the Kingsley M- models for example), Light use pneumatic (Kingsley AM- models), and then a multitude of commercial grade high output machines.

The manual machine is an art form - you can set the temp, but the pressure on dwell time is dependent on the user. Tough to get consistent results, but when you get rolling it’s great. Not very quick.

The pneumatic machine takes the variable of the dwell time and pressure out. You just need to get it dialled in. Pretty quick after setup.

Commercial machines are great for high production, on lower quality chips.

The issues with clay chips are multiple and variable.

All colours stamp at a slightly different temp.

All colours stamp at a slightly different pressure.

All colours stamp at a slightly different dwell time.

All of the above is compounded by what mold is used.

All of the above is also compounded with the slight variation in the face of the chips.

The ones that @FordPickup92 posted are lower one the side that didn’t get the stamp (or higher on the side that did).

The only way I figured out to overcome this was by stamping deeper. The issue with stamper deeper is that you create flash around the stamp that then needs to be scraped off (see old TRK stamps and you can see the razor marks). I don’t think that CPC wants to get into offering that as a service. It’s not a ton of fun.

To my knowledge, there isn’t a “casino grade” stamp, but there may be crappy foil on the market. I found a good supplier and then stuck with them.

I’ve had my set that I stamped probably 10 years ago that sees regular usage - there are zero issues with stamps fading.

I’ve also stamped some BCC chips that the stamps looked like the CPC ones - the clay is just different (MSpatton had the same issue, I think SOK was the only one that crushed them on a regular basis).

I’d recommend going with a third party for now. At a minimum the die costs will be much better than CPC.
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I'm gonna be annoying you SO much.....
 
detroitdad said:
Who says you already aren't? :)
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Oh, I have. And there is so much more coming. But that's the blessing with getting his old setup.

I just need a dang gun to sell and I can get the blanks ordered. Already got the spots set and design being wrapped up for the first set.

I am never gonna financially recover from this...
 
Josh Kifer said:
Oh, I have. And there is so much more coming. But that's the blessing with getting his old setup.

I just need a dang gun to sell and I can get the blanks ordered. Already got the spots set and design being wrapped up for the first set.

I am never gonna financially recover from this...
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Did you buy his old stamping machine and setup? Dibbs if you ever want to move it along to the next person!

detroitdad said:
Who says you already aren't? :)
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Lol!

My first order of business as a new forum member sounds like it is going to be annoying you, because I am probably going to try to follow in your footsteps and order some CPC blanks, then send them to someone here (your guy?) if possible to get stamped. I'd love to rent/borrow/use/buy your denomination stamps when you are done, and I would probably need to get a few of my own (50c and $2) as well as my own logo for the opposite side made.

Following your journey with great interest!

I just ordered the CPC hot stamped color sample set, so the wheels are in motion!! :)
 
monkeydog said:
I’ve sold some of the denominations off, but here is a group shot.

I checked my emails and the first batch was ordered in 2009, crazy!

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Soo many amazing chips in there, CSQ is my favorite too! But definitely never seen that Key half pie from CPC, was that an ASM only option or just no one uses it anymore? Beautiful stamps indeed! Thank you for sharing.
 
Ben8257 said:
Soo many amazing chips in there, CSQ is my favorite too! But definitely never seen that Key half pie from CPC, was that an ASM only option or just no one uses it anymore? Beautiful stamps indeed! Thank you for sharing.
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I think it’s the normal half pie they use. It’s neat because half of the chips have the maroon key and half are yellow.

I started ordering before there were a lot of the colours offered today. I was desperate for my $1 to be DG Blue, but they were just experimenting with it and wouldn’t do it. Ended up with Light Blue.
 
JeepologyOffroad said:
If you can get stamps that quality I will have some large orders for you Kifer

Love the $20 @monkeydog all great chips
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Soo many beautiful combinations in there! That 10 cent green is freaking awesome! Wish that 10kwash green/pink/white (water melon combos FTW) but amazing just like it is!

Lots of inspiration for HS lovers can come from those! And what's not to love about a set that goes down to the penny! Just awesome!
 
steelcity16 said:
Did you buy his old stamping machine and setup? Dibbs if you ever want to move it along to the next person!
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I did pick it up, bad news is, this is it's last stop on the road for an extended period. But Hot Stamping will be added to the list of services I'm going to offer once we get setup and tuned in.
 
monkeydog said:
The issue with CPC stamping is that they don’t stamp deep enough.

The fundamental principle is the same regardless of who stamps the chips - the is a die that gets heated, that is pressed into foil, held on the chip for a certain amount of time at a specific pressure. That is a hot stamp.

Cold stamp is a PCF creation and it used to refer to stamping with ink. Generally on chips that couldn’t be hot stamped.

There are three basic types of hot stamping machines. Light use manual (any of the Kingsley M- models for example), Light use pneumatic (Kingsley AM- models), and then a multitude of commercial grade high output machines.

The manual machine is an art form - you can set the temp, but the pressure on dwell time is dependent on the user. Tough to get consistent results, but when you get rolling it’s great. Not very quick.

The pneumatic machine takes the variable of the dwell time and pressure out. You just need to get it dialled in. Pretty quick after setup.

Commercial machines are great for high production, on lower quality chips.

The issues with clay chips are multiple and variable.

All colours stamp at a slightly different temp.

All colours stamp at a slightly different pressure.

All colours stamp at a slightly different dwell time.

All of the above is compounded by what mold is used.

All of the above is also compounded with the slight variation in the face of the chips.

The ones that @FordPickup92 posted are lower one the side that didn’t get the stamp (or higher on the side that did).

The only way I figured out to overcome this was by stamping deeper. The issue with stamper deeper is that you create flash around the stamp that then needs to be scraped off (see old TRK stamps and you can see the razor marks). I don’t think that CPC wants to get into offering that as a service. It’s not a ton of fun.

To my knowledge, there isn’t a “casino grade” stamp, but there may be crappy foil on the market. I found a good supplier and then stuck with them.

I’ve had my set that I stamped probably 10 years ago that sees regular usage - there are zero issues with stamps fading.

I’ve also stamped some BCC chips that the stamps looked like the CPC ones - the clay is just different (MSpatton had the same issue, I think SOK was the only one that crushed them on a regular basis).

I’d recommend going with a third party for now. At a minimum the die costs will be much better than CPC.
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And this is what too much heat and time can do…
I’ve got a bunch of these, all the same…couldn’t figure out the strange, square shape melted into each chip…until I saw what a die block looks like.
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@cgraham86 stamped my H mold blanks many years ago and did a great job. He offered to scrape them for a price because he said they needed it but I declined. The flashing did give some chips a little wobble but I figured it would wear off with use. Problem is they hardly get used! I still like the set though.

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Those looks great! Who is offering the hot stamp service in the forum these days?

Josh Kifer said:
I did pick it up, bad news is, this is it's last stop on the road for an extended period. But Hot Stamping will be added to the list of services I'm going to offer once we get setup and tuned in.
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Oh cool, glad it is being used in a broader service for the forum! Will be following with great interest. Let me know how to get in line! ;)
 

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