Could someone with Gear Labels applied to Paulsons post some "Close Up Pics"

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You guys have my about 95% of the way there to doing a custom "Gear Labels" on some sort of Fantasy or Casino Paulsons. I just need to be given a little push to get me the last 5%. I am hoping to get some close up pics (In Focus Please) of the area where the edges of the label are. I have read that with RHC the labels should be removed and with THC they should be milled, but I also got the advice that often RHC can just be labeled right over the original. Maybe it depends on how worn the chips are or maybe something else idk. If you could mention if you removed, milled or labeled over that would be great. I would love to see "Close UP Pics" of both RHC & THC labeled with Gear Labels.

Here is an example of what I am talking about. Of course I am not going to use this chip in my re-labeling project, but I am showing just to show what kind of picture I am talking about:


or this so I can see how the entire label fits in there:
 

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I have read that with RHC the labels should be removed and with THC they should be milled,
Where did you read that? Paulson mold type has nothing to do with whether the inlays should be removed & replaced vs just labelled over.

To be clear: Both RHC and THC chips are just fine to label over, or remove-and-replace, if that's what you prefer.

Hotstamped chips -- I always recommend milling.

Inlaid chips -- inlay remove & replace is better than overlabel, but overlabel is less expensive and less work.


Some good photos in this thread:
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/testimonials.10918/
 

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If you have the time and patience to do a nice job murdering chips I'd recommend doing it that way over milling (unless it's a hotstamp of course)

I always see small pieces of inlay left behind on milled chips and they just never look as good as a proper inlay replacement. Plus you quite often get rough edges, from what I've seen.


Here is a closeup of a chip with a gear laminated label. This chip was a hotstamp chip that has been milled
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Some murdered house molds
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Inlay replacement v overlabel
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I always see small pieces of inlay left behind on milled chips and they just never look as good as a proper inlay replacement.
That's kinda apples v. oranges, in my opinion. "Milling" only applies to hotstamped chips, and "inlay replacement" only applies to inlaid chips.

Using a drill press / router bit method to remove the inlays is still inlay removal, not milling. (And to be clear, it's a bad idea IMO.)

Nevertheless, despite splitting hairs on the nomenclature, I agree! Inlay replacement gives the best result.
 

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It's an overlabel, not a murder. But results are stunning, i couldn't tell the difference. Tx again @Gear


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Where did you read that? Paulson mold type has nothing to do with whether the inlays should be removed & replaced vs just labelled over.

To be clear: Both RHC and THC chips are just fine to label over, or remove-and-replace, if that's what you prefer.

Hotstamped chips -- I always recommend milling.

Inlaid chips -- inlay remove & replace is better than overlabel, but overlabel is less expensive and less work.


Some good photos in this thread:
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/testimonials.10918/
Thanks!
I'm going to check it out!
 

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Others will chime in with better pictures than I can share, but the one suggestion I would have is to order a handful of gear labels in the various styles (unlaminated, textured, smooth, thick, etc) and physically create yourself some samples, of both overlabeled and inlay replaced chips. IMO, pictures only tell half the story here - the sound and feel of each of the different options is noticeably different, and I think it's worth handling them yourself to see what you do and don't like.
 

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This is a bit off-topic, but I just wanted to ask, why would you put textured labels on smooth recess THCs? I get textured labels if you're replacing the inlay on an already textured THC, but if you have a smooth center THC, why not replace it with a thick glossy laminate, which would make the inlay closer to flush with the chip face, and would make sense with the chip! I just don't get it.
 

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This is a bit off-topic, but I just wanted to ask, why would you put textured labels on smooth recess THCs? I get textured labels if you're replacing the inlay on an already textured THC, but if you have a smooth center THC, why not replace it with a thick glossy laminate, which would make the inlay closer to flush with the chip face, and would make sense with the chip! I just don't get it.

:jawdrop: I guess it is one of those questions that if you have to ask you won’t get it.

Textured inlays and labels looks and feel better than smooth glossy inlays/labels. Simple as that for me.
 

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:jawdrop: I guess it is one of those questions that if you have to ask you won’t get it.

Textured inlays and labels looks and feel better than smooth glossy inlays/labels. Simple as that for me.
No no, I get that part. I love textured inlays, and I think it makes sense on a chip with a textured recess, but chips that had smooth inlays also have smooth recesses, so putting a textured label on a smooth recess just makes no sense!
 
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This is a bit off-topic, but I just wanted to ask, why would you put textured labels on smooth recess THCs? I get textured labels if you're replacing the inlay on an already textured THC, but if you have a smooth center THC, why not replace it with a thick glossy laminate, which would make the inlay closer to flush with the chip face, and would make sense with the chip! I just don't get it.
Just a preference for textured inlays. I have never been a fan of glossy laminate.
 

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No no, I get that part. I love textured inlays, and I think it makes sense on a chip with a textured recess, but chips that had smooth inlays also have smooth recesses, so putting a textured label on a smooth recess just makes no sense!

well after I was done milling my chips they were all smooth so It didn’t matter what it was before. But no was I doing all that work to put a glossy smooth label on my chips.
 
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No no, I get that part. I love textured inlays, and I think it makes sense on a chip with a textured recess, but chips that had smooth inlays also have smooth recesses, so putting a textured label on a smooth recess just makes no sense!
I don't understand the difference between a textured recess and a smooth recess. Can you post a comparison picture? Is it just the depth of the recess? It wouldn't have made a difference because I do not like smooth laminates, but I'm curious.
 

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I don't understand the difference between a textured recess and a smooth recess. Can you post a comparison picture? Is it just the depth of the recess? It wouldn't have made a difference because I do not like smooth laminates, but I'm curious.
Smooth recess:
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Credit to @bentax1978
Textured Recess:
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Credit to: @DrJohn
See how on the textured recess the crosshatching continues from the inlay out to the edges of the recess, but on the smooth recess, once the chip goes to the recess it's 100% smooth, with no texture. With the ESSTs, the recess is smooth, as with all Paulsons made in the past decade or so, but with hot-stamps or older inlaid chips, the recess is textured. It's not a matter of disliking textured inlays, they're amazing, but I just can't get behind that mismatching.
 

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I love my over labels. The one thing I will mention and this is very minute, is that if you do a black label like I did then sometimes you can catch a glimpse of the white rolling edge of the label. I still prefer my black labels and nobody would ever notice during normal play but since you are asking for in depth details.

Here are some pics I had already.
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Smooth recess:
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Credit to @bentax1978
Textured Recess:
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Credit to: @DrJohn
See how on the textured recess the crosshatching continues from the inlay out to the edges of the recess, but on the smooth recess, once the chip goes to the recess it's 100% smooth, with no texture. With the ESSTs, the recess is smooth, as with all Paulsons made in the past decade or so, but with hot-stamps or older inlaid chips, the recess is textured. It's not a matter of disliking textured inlays, they're amazing, but I just can't get behind that mismatching.
Thanks for the info. It wouldn't have mattered because I love these chips and hate laminates, but good to know.

I always thought the texture continuing was because those are shaped inlays and they wanted the area beyond the label to match the label. Learn something new every day.
 

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Thanks for the info. It wouldn't have mattered because I love these chips and hate laminates, but good to know.

I always thought the texture continuing was because those are shaped inlays and they wanted the area beyond the label to match the label. Learn something new every day.
I mean, technically they're still laminates, just textured laminates. :p

Either way, yeah, the reason so many shaped inlays have textured inlays is that they're old, in fact, chips like WTHCs and Aztar $100s have smooth shaped inlays.
 

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I removed the labels on my THCs. They were not milled.
Dude,
Your chips look fantastic! They look just like they were custom made by Paulson

I did not know you could do that with THC's. Looking at various THC's that I have I have to believe you must remove the existing inlay or you would get spinners.

With RHC's I could see maybe overlaying a label over what is there as there is a bit of recess for the label to fit into.

I have a sample set on order.
 

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Looking at various THC's that I have I have to believe you must remove the existing inlay or you would get spinners.
I've just realized I've made a slight error. Some THC-mold chips, namely LCV, do not take overlabels well. This is because (as someone alluded to, above) there isn't really a recess on the face of the chip. The inlay is at the same "height" as the outer mold area. THC-mold chips that are SCV (aka "smooth recess" I guess?) are fine with an overlabel.
 
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