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It also says it would allow approving additional game types as well.
 
it’s up to the locals in each gaming town, but yeah... we’re no limit now!
 
Honest question (and I know this doesn't mean anything to me but still wondering) Is it really a good idea to give the CASINOS this kind of input?
 
Was just going to say the same as @markleteenie it gives the 3 gambling towns the right to change the limits.
Also, when we passed the increase from $5 Max bets to $100 max bets, it took effect July 1st 2009 after the election in 2008, so I would assume that it will be the same here, July 1st 2021 will hopefully be the latest it happens.
 
Just saw this.
Too bad...
I know it is what you all were hoping for, and yes it will be good for a year or two but nl is unsustainable. The strong players take all the money too fast and when all the weak players give up and there are no new players (like everywhere else right now) what do you really think is going to happen?
You all had a good thing going. In a couple years or so it will be just like everywhere else. 1 or 2 tables of 1/2nl and maybe (if you are lucky) 1 table of 2/5nl on fri night with every table filled with nits and all horrible games. Sad to see such a good thing come to an end.

Mark my words, nl is a Cancer to the card room and it will kill your room if you allow it to start
 
Well the problem is I like low limit, lhe too, but the only limit they had was 30/60, no thanks.

hopefully with Nlhe, they can have reasonable limit stakes too.
 
mark my words, you are wrong
Its funny, I mean not haha funny, but strange funny how people's views are biased by what their opinion is and not the facts. Do you have any evidence or reasoning that your opinion is right other than that you want nl?

yea, I didn't think so...

Trust me, I love nl too & would love to play in a huge nl game that was filled with really bad players with never ending deep pockets, but that just isn't reality. That game does not exist in a place like Colorado. Sure, it is possible in Vegas because every day there are hundreds of planes carrying all the fish in, but everywhere else it isn't like that.

I have been around Poker and Poker rooms for more than 35 years and have seen this happen time and time again. History will tell you all you need to know. Ask anyone that has worked in a card room for 25+ yrs what happens when you introduce nl. Go play in just about any card room anywhere that has introduced nl and see for yourself what has happened at nearly every card room across the country (with the exception of Vegas and Fl which are both tourist destinations). I could go through the math and prove to you why this happens and why nl is really bad for a card room, but you will refuse to listen just like all the other nl fan boys and in time you (just like everywhere else) will have destroyed your beautiful poker ecosystem and your game will be terrible there just like it is everywhere else.
 
Well the problem is I like low limit, lhe too, but the only limit they had was 30/60, no thanks.

hopefully with Nlhe, they can have reasonable limit stakes too.
what are you thinking 4/8 or 8/16? limit?
what makes you think that by allowing >$100 bets this will encourage a small limit game? In my opinion it won't. It will, however eventually destroy the 30/60 game that you have there, which, by the way, is a fantastic game.
 
that’s a lot text to read.. i’ll just pass and we’ll see who is right in two years
It'll probably take more than 2 years to completely play out. It isn't like it happens overnight. The disease spreads slowly just like Cancer. At first you don't even know you are sick and after a few years it gets into your lymph nodes and organs and when you finally get around to going to the Dr. 3 or 4 yrs into it he tells you that he is sorry and there is nothing he can do. He'll give you a year to live...

And so goes the life of a Card Room.
 
Well the problem is I like low limit, lhe too, but the only limit they had was 30/60, no thanks.

hopefully with Nlhe, they can have reasonable limit stakes too.

Ameristar used to get a 4/8 LHE game going but the players were usually 75+yrs old....... I played in it whenever I could but I think the game literally “died”..........
 
It'll probably take more than 2 years to completely play out. It isn't like it happens overnight. The disease spreads slowly just like Cancer. At first you don't even know you are sick and after a few years it gets into your lymph nodes and organs and when you finally get around to going to the Dr. 3 or 4 yrs into it he tells you that he is sorry and there is nothing he can do. He'll give you a year to live...

And so goes the life of a Card Room.
We’ve had $500 max bet (our version of no limit) in Washington State for years, in many casinos all over the state. Those rooms are always busy. Some smaller rooms won’t offer it, because they see it the way that you do...and it would probably kill them. But those that are known as the better card rooms offer $2/$5 and $5/$10 and do just fine.
 
We’ve had $500 max bet (our version of no limit) in Washington State for years, in many casinos all over the state. Those rooms are always busy. Some smaller rooms won’t offer it, because they see it the way that you do...and it would probably kill them. But those that are known as the better card rooms offer $2/$5 and $5/$10 and do just fine.
so what is the game? $2/$5 blinds with $5-$500 spread limit?
I think Washington state is a bit of an anomaly as well. You used to have a smaller max bet law too, right? Was it $100 max bet? From my understanding lots of small almost bars used to offer small limit games and that was pretty popular. Spread Limit with a max bet of $500 will slow the cancer down a bit as it weakens the power of total unlimited max bet. I will concede that 2/5 blinds with a max bet of $500 would often play very similarly to a 2/5nl, but I do think that in the end the game and the rooms will be in trouble with that structure too.


In general, Poker in the US is unhealthy right now. There are multiple reasons for this and nl is just one of those reasons, but it is without a doubt a major contributor.. The status of online poker in the USA is certainly another big contributor.

It's not that I don't like nl, I think a lot of times people think that because I say nl isn't good for the health of a card room I don't like nl. Nothing could be further from the truth, I would love to constantly play in a huge nl game with bad players that have unlimited deep pockets, but that just isn't realistic.

Poker Rooms and poker in general is supported by losing players. What you really want is for the losing players to lose the maximum amount they are willing to lose, but doing it slowly enough that they always think they have a chance and they never quit. The median US household income is 68k/yr. If the average guy loses more than probably 5% of their income that is most likely unsustainable. Assuming that is true, that means the average person could lose no more than $3500 ish/yr and not quit. That is only $300/month. If a beginner plays even 1/2nl and the max they can handle losing is $300/month they could easily lose $300 and probably would lose $300 in an hour or less. They are now done for a month. Next month they come back and do it again. How many months in a row are they going to do that before they decide Poker isn't any fun? That same $300 could easily sustain a weak limit player for maybe 10- 20 hours of play in a $2/$4 game.

Do you now understand why nl is bad for a card room?
 
It'll probably take more than 2 years to completely play out. It isn't like it happens overnight. The disease spreads slowly just like Cancer. At first you don't even know you are sick and after a few years it gets into your lymph nodes and organs and when you finally get around to going to the Dr. 3 or 4 yrs into it he tells you that he is sorry and there is nothing he can do. He'll give you a year to live...

And so goes the life of a Card Room.
You do make some good points about NL. Although I am a fan of NL, mostly in tournament format, NL has KILLED what used to be great action in Atlantic City and a few of the east coast casinos that existed prior to many states legalizing gambling. It used to be that a player could go to Atlantic City and find a wide range of games in Omaha, stud and Hold’em.
Now everything is PLO and NLHE.
The most profitable game in AC 15 years ago was the $15/$30/$45 seven card stud at Borgata. Your lucky to find any stud games in AC or anywhere else for that matter anymore.
In the early and mid 2000s, the Action in AC was as good or maybe even better at times than Vegas. Now it seems you need a pair of pliers and a blow torch to make $100 in an 8 hour session sitting at $1-$3 or $2-$5.
As a player who spent many hours in card rooms before the boom, I have seen the trend in which you describe. IMO, NL has brought a lot of new money into the world of poker while simultaneously chasing out much more of the old money. If you want long term consistent action and profitability as a player, nothing beats a properly set up mixed spread limit game. The chasers will always chase and they’ll always keep coming back to chase some more.
 

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