Chip Efficiency with no Snapper love (1 Viewer)

[TeamNapoli]

So I believe it is safe to safe that the most efficient chip denomination for betting is $1 $5 $25 $100. And we all love snappers, but why? How do they work in the chip efficiency scheme? Aren't they really just "eye candy"? Even in most micro stakes with .25\.50 blinds . the next person will raise it to a dollar and the next raise is either 2 or 3 dollars. The $1 becomes the work horse, its rare I see people bet 1.50 or 2.50.

There is lots of love for snappers, as proof in the Chip Room snapper sale that sold 10000 warped and stained units in under a minute. Of course i was one of many PCFers that tried and got denied. I am sure 20000 units would have sold out. So how do you use those beautiful snappers?

 

[davislane]

So how do you use those beautiful snappers?

relabel them as a frac. is there any other option?

 

[MatB]

I'm no expert but I believe they existed for Black Jack payouts.

And are now also for home limit games

EDIT:
And for degen PL circus orbits after the limit game
And as stated above, relabel them to use as a different denomination.

 

[Bluegrass Poker]

I'm no expert but I believe they are for Black Jack payouts.

And also for home limit games

Do people really play $2.50/$5 limit games?

Obviously the casino has them primarily for blackjack but I’d be interested how people is them in home games other than as a relabel.

 

[Jake14mw]

To relabel as fracs mostly. If fracs were more available/affordable then snappers would be a little less popular. The only other reason is just to have MOAR!

 

[Mangatang]

Do people really play $2.50/$5 limit games?

Obviously the casino has them primarily for blackjack but I’d be interested how people is them in home games other than as a relabel.

No. A pink chip game would be 5/10 or 7.5/15 or even 10/20.

 

[MatB]

Gratuitous photo dump

Yes to the limit
(Not my chips)

 

[Bluegrass Poker]

No. A pink chip game would be 5/10 or 7.5/15 or even 10/20.

Yeah brain fart on the 5/10

 

[MatB]

I could have edited out the Giant glob of mayo, but its good to show how to oil poker chips the old fashioned way.

 

[Bluegrass Poker]

I could have edited out the Giant glob of mayo, but its good to show how to oil poker chips the old fashioned way.

What’s the ranch dressing for? Ceramics.

 

[MatB]

2.50/2.50 or 2.50/5

There are no laws against playing what you want to.

 

[Mangatang]

2.50/2.50 or 2.50/5

There are no laws against playing what you want to.

I think you’re talking binds, not bets (limit).

 

[MatB]

I don't know my limit poker so well, I just click buttons.

but I believe we play 2.50/5 raise by 2.50 increments , capped at 5 bets and $5 bets on the turn and river.

@Jimulacrum can probably explain it better.

 

[Nanook]

Playing 10/20 limit with snappers would be perfect. They NEVER do this in a card room, but you could at home and it would work great! Blinds $5 & $10 for a 4 chip structure game. Lots of beautiful chips in play

 

[TeamNapoli]

yes i understand the relabel to use as fracs and basically is why ppl get 2 plus racks. Honestly i prefer to use chips with a blue base color if 1s are white or white base color if 1s are blue base color

even in a 2.50\5 the 2.50 really only gets used as a small blind. i mean maybe someone will make a 12.50 bet but it pretty much will be a 10 or 15 dollar bet

 

[Nanook]

I don't know my limit poker so well, I just click buttons.

but I believe we play 2.50/5 raise by 2.50 increments , capped at 5 bets and $5 bets on the turn and river.

@Jimulacrum can probably explain it better.

You guys are not really using the right terminology for limit. In a 5/10 limit game the #'s 5 & 10 are small bets and big bets unlike in nl where in a 5/10 nl game they would be $5 small blind and $10 big blind. You could do a 5/10 limit game with $2.50 chips, but a 2.50/5 just wouldn't work at all as the small blind would be $1.25

 

[Nanook]

yes i understand the relabel to use as fracs and basically is why ppl get 2 plus racks. Honestly i prefer to use chips with a blue base color if 1s are white or white base color if 1s are blue base color

agreed, but I have seen other color fractionals that I like as well and pinks can be nice

even in a 2.50\5 the 2.50 really only gets used as a small blind. i mean maybe someone will make a 12.50 bet but it pretty much will be a 10 or 15 dollar bet

See above post
Would have to make the game at least a 5/10 limit for it to work. Honestly in limit it really doesn't matter what the chips are as once you get used to it no one is thinking in $ amounts. You just think in terms of small and big bets.

Other games that would work with a $2.50 chip would be 7.50/15 limit and 10/20 limit. A 5/10 limit game with 2.50 chips would be referred to as a 2 chip structure game because the small bet or smallest betting amount on any street is 2 chips. 7 50/15 limit would be a 3 chip game and 10/20 would be a 4 chip game all with $2.50 chips.

3 & 4 chip games tend to work the best as there are more chips in the pots and more chips = more people like to stay in = more bad play= more good game = more fun

 

[MatB]

Hey, I just show up and bet. raise. fold (rarely)

So you're probably right, I don't have the right terminology down.

 

[MatB]

You guys are not really using the right terminology for limit. In a 5/10 limit game the #'s 5 & 10 are small bets and big bets unlike in nl where in a 5/10 nl game they would be $5 small blind and $10 big blind. You could do a 5/10 limit game with $2.50 chips, but a 2.50/5 just wouldn't work at all as the small blind would be $1.25

Right, so I said 2.50/5 , 2.50 for the small bets and 5 for the big bets.

I believe I said that in post #13 inarticulate though it might have been

 

[Mr_Y3RAC]

I plan on making a micro stakes game with the following denoms:
10ct/50ct/$2,5/$10
I'll let you guys know how it plays. I think it should not hinder the play... You just have a little different betting sizes but I dont see that as a problem.

 

[BearMetal]

most efficient chip denomination for betting is 25c $1 $5 $20

FTFY

... Also as I've said before, nothing says, "fuck you" to that friend who just raised $1 then to throw a snapper in MOAR is always better!

 

[TeamNapoli]

interesting never play limit before, have to look into it and introduce it to the games

 

[upNdown]

And its not a crime to just put them on the table as-is. Yeah it's inefficient and I don't recommend people do it. Like with this Foxwoods set I'm building - it's hard to find $5 chips, so there's no harm in putting $2.50's in play, just to help (and because they look great.) A lot of people would say it's a no-brainer to relabel them as fracs, but I could never kill them like that.

 

[Jimulacrum]

I don't know my limit poker so well, I just click buttons.

but I believe we play 2.50/5 raise by 2.50 increments , capped at 5 bets and $5 bets on the turn and river.

@Jimulacrum can probably explain it better.

You got it right. Blinds are $2.50/2.50, and betting limits are $2.50/5. (You could also put some $1 chips in play and do $1/2.50 blinds instead. To each his own.)

This is basically what snappers are best for.

 

[Nanook]

You got it right. Blinds are $2.50/2.50, and betting limits are $2.50/5. (You could also put some $1 chips in play and do $1/2.50 blinds instead. To each his own.)

This is basically what snappers are best for.

Yea, I guess you could do it that way too. Technically it works, but doing it that way is a 1 chip betting structure. 4 chip is best, 3 works well, 2 is bad and almost never done in a casino because of this and 1 would be pretty awful (imho).

 

[Nanook]

And its not a crime to just put them on the table as-is. Yeah it's inefficient and I don't recommend people do it.

This....
Do what makes you happy. They are your chips

 

[Jimulacrum]

Yea, I guess you could do it that way too. Technically it works, but doing it that way is a 1 chip betting structure. 4 chip is best, 3 works well, 2 is bad and almost never done in a casino because of this and 1 would be pretty awful (imho).

Unfortunately, I fear a $5/10 or $7.50/15 game may not fill the table with our crew, so $2.50/5 it is. Playing a 1-/2-chip structure really isn't that bad, especially when it's a mega-action game that produces huge pots anyway.

Personally, I like a 4-chip structure too, like $4/8 played with $1 chips. Just absurdly tall mountains of chips all around the table, topped with the occasional $20 color-up. Good stuff.

 

[Jimulacrum]

And its not a crime to just put them on the table as-is. Yeah it's inefficient and I don't recommend people do it. Like with this Foxwoods set I'm building - it's hard to find $5 chips, so there's no harm in putting $2.50's in play, just to help (and because they look great.) A lot of people would say it's a no-brainer to relabel them as fracs, but I could never kill them like that.
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Clearly the solution is to relabel all your snappers as $5s and just use the two colors together as a single denomination.

 

[CrazyEddie]

And its not a crime to just put them on the table as-is. Yeah it's inefficient and I don't recommend people do it. Like with this Foxwoods set I'm building - it's hard to find $5 chips, so there's no harm in putting $2.50's in play, just to help (and because they look great.) A lot of people would say it's a no-brainer to relabel them as fracs, but I could never kill them like that.
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Yes, this. Efficiency isn't everything.

Don't be afraid to use a chip breakdown that's not perfect. Just get them on the table and enjoy it! As long as they're denominated people will figure it out.

 

[CrazyEddie]

Unfortunately, I fear a $5/10 or $7.50/15 game may not fill the table with our crew, so $2.50/5 it is. Playing a 1-/2-chip structure really isn't that bad, especially when it's a mega-action game that produces huge pots anyway.

Personally, I like a 4-chip structure too, like $4/8 played with $1 chips. Just absurdly tall mountains of chips all around the table, topped with the occasional $20 color-up. Good stuff.

For my limit games 3-/6-chip feels like the sweet spot, because it works well when using a set with 1s and 5s. Raises and late-street bets toss a 1 and a 5 in together; the bets are easy and the pot is colorful.

... and when using a "limit set" as folks here call it, with a 3-/6-chip structure you still get big piles of chips on the table.