Chinese ceramic or Majestic clay chips? For 1st serious custom chips? (1 Viewer)

[TrainerRed]

Anyways, the majestic ones are out of stock. I wanted to buy custom chips but actually feel the quality.
I found the vendor some PCF members used last year to order 10k ceramic poker chips made out of ceramic which had 2 cards carved along the edge.
The manufacturer is willing to ship 500 custom pieces from China to my house for $305?! This is already a great price for custom chips.

Those of you who were part of the 10k purchase, should have some reviews about the quality of this model. Should I get them or will they brake easily, for example, even on the way here or if they fall from the table during play?
I'd like to order at least 300 custom Majestics since they're real clay and not the metal coin-inside chips, but they're out of stock. Should I keep waiting? (You know, if you have non-custom Majestic, I might as well buy some from you? I'm in the U.S.A, Texas.)

It is my understanding that the majority here prefers clay.

 

[LeLe]

Majestics , if I think you mean the China Clay Majestics they are not Real clay. Different from what the clay that most people like here

@CrazyEddie can you link your wonderful posts explaining the different type of chip for the OP; thanks

 

[TrainerRed]

Majestics , if I think you mean the China Clay Majestics they are not Real clay. Different from what the clay they most people like here

@CrazyEddie can you link your wonderful posts explaining the different type of chip for the OP; thanks

Not ceramic Majestics. I'm trying to find the forum post of the PCF members that bought 10k of these from China. They're ceramic
They are not that expensive even if I just order 500 pieces, but I can't find the original thread so I didn't dig deep to see what they thought when they arrived.
I'm trying to figure out if they actually play with them or just ordered them as collective, decorations

 

[arch3r]

Just checking https://www.apachepokerchips.com/ site and it looks like only the non-labeled brown and orange are out of stock. You could always buy the labeled versions of them and just remove the label and then apply your custom label. Just a thought.

Oh and the Majestics, as nice as they are, are what is call china clay. Different from the casino clay of Pauslons and TRKs. They feel and sound different. Get samples before you decide.

As for the card mold chips - there have been a ton of them ordered here. In fact I'm part of yet another group by where we ordered over 10k as well and are just now waiting for them to show up. If you want to go that route, check the group by section and see if others are trying to get a group together. 10k seems to be the sweet spot for the best price break.

I have some sample sets of the card molds that others have previously ordered and they seem nice which is why I decided to grab a set. I would not worry about them breaking at all. If you have not handled them, I would get some samples first. Always better to get your hands on them before committing to buy a full set.

But be warned, if you decide to go with card molds - you are looking at months and months of lead time. So if you are in a hurry to get a set, this is not the option for you.

 

[TrainerRed]

Just checking https://www.apachepokerchips.com/ site and it looks like only the non-labeled brown and orange are out of stock. You could always buy the labeled versions of them and just remove the label and then apply your custom label. Just a thought.

Oh and the Majestics, as nice as they are, are what is call china clay. Different from the casino clay of Pauslons and TRKs. They feel and sound different. Get samples before you decide.

As for the card mold chips - there have been a ton of them ordered here. In fact I'm part of yet another group by where we ordered over 10k as well and are just now waiting for them to show up. If you want to go that route, check the group by section and see if others are trying to get a group together. 10k seems to be the sweet spot for the best price break.

I have some sample sets of the card molds that others have previously ordered and they seem nice which is why I decided to grab a set. I would not worry about them breaking at all. If you have not handled them, I would get some samples first. Always better to get your hands on them before committing to buy a full set.

But be warned, if you decide to go with card molds - you are looking at months and months of lead time. So if you are in a hurry to get a set, this is not the option for you.

There's clay and Chinese clay?! I thought it was the same material but different country of origin. Thanks @LeLe and Archer, for letting me know.
I am in no rush to get chips and can take my time to research. It seems that a cheap option is to "harvest" $1 blue and white Paulson chips in Las Vegas. I just learned this term today as well, lol

 

[upNdown]

As others have said, Majestics are not clay. China clay are plastic chips known as much for their funny smell and uneven stack sizes as anything else. Please spend several hours reading discussions, here, about Chiba clay chips, before you actually consider buying them.
The card mold ceramics are decent chips. I’ve only handled a sample stack, so I’m no authority. But I’d put them in the upper tiers of ceramic chips, in terms of quality. They feel a bit distasteful to me because they come from manufacturers who don’t respect intellectual property laws, meaning they’ll knock off anything they can sell (including your own design.). But quality-wise they’re good. And FWIW, we call them ceramics, but technically they’re plastic too. Apparently they’re actually polyester. But they’re flat, round, and they don’t smell.

 

[CrazyEddie]

Welcome to the forum, @TrainerRed !

You might find these posts helpful, they go over the various types of chips, including china clays like the Majestics and what makes them different from casino clays:

Part One
Part Two
Part Three

 

[si3v3]

Anyways, the majestic ones are out of stock. I wanted to buy custom chips but actually feel the quality.
I found the vendor some PCF members used last year to order 10k ceramic poker chips made out of ceramic which had 2 cards carved along the edge.
The manufacturer is willing to ship 500 custom pieces from China to my house for $305?! This is already a great price for custom chips.

Those of you who were part of the 10k purchase, should have some reviews about the quality of this model. Should I get them or will they brake easily, for example, even on the way here or if they fall from the table during play?
I'd like to order at least 300 custom Majestics since they're real clay and not the metal coin-inside chips, but they're out of stock. Should I keep waiting? (You know, if you have non-custom Majestic, I might as well buy some from you? I'm in the U.S.A, Texas.)

It is my understanding that the majority here prefers clay.

Ive played in a game with the milanos a bunch of time with no issues and i like playing with them - they are real clay and i think they play nice and stack nicely. You may have a few off labels and the color consistency is off a little bit but they are real clay chips and i think they are a solid chip to play with especially for the money. I have some samples of the majestics and they seem a little better quality-wise than the milanos but they feel a little less true clay even if they are clay. From the sample set these chips look like they are likely pretty solid consistency wise but that is based on a smaller sample but they are nice chips….probably a little more slippery than milanos too. I have a variety of paulsons and thats my go to but i would buy milanos easily because ive played with them and they seem to perform great.

 

[EpicAS]

I thought china clay was always hard plastic and the only “real” clay chips were Paulson and CPC

 

[tabletalker7]

If ceramics are on the menu, what is wrong with BRPro? Better quality blank, better print, faster response time ........... Why is it that everyone is constantly rushing for Chinese garbage and nobody wants a good chip anymore?

 

[buzzmonkey]

If ceramics are on the menu, what is wrong with BRPro? Better quality blank, better print, faster response time ........... Why is it that everyone is constantly rushing for Chinese garbage and nobody wants a good chip anymore?

I second this. Get some samples of everything you're interested in plus some BR Pro ceramics in different sizes.

 

[eightyWon]

I love both my brpro chips and my Tina cards molds. Both vendors have their pros and cons and they fill different roles/niches/needs imo.

I found Tina very responsive and helpful and my cards molds were on my doorstep 14 days after approving the samples. I certainly wouldn't call them garbage.

Thankfully, unlike the custom clay market, we've got choices!

 

[LinkyBabe]

Ive played in a game with the milanos a bunch of time with no issues and i like playing with them - they are real clay...

No they are not real clay... they are plastic made to feel as close as possible to real clay.

 

[si3v3]

No they are not real clay... they are plastic made to feel as close as possible to real clay.

Dude i am definitely not one of the chip gurus on here but i have about 6000 paulson chips and a sample of the majestics and i play in a semi regular game with the milanos. I would agree that the majestics seem too clean and polished and alippery to be a real clay chip but the milanos (definitely not paulson) are definitely in my opinion a clay chip . You can go to many established chip dealer sites on the internet and you tubers that are collectors that will all agree that milanos are real clay compression chips. I believe i also mentioned for the price. Classic poker chips is best (short of being able to do some type of paulson purchase which is near impossible) for like 2 bucks a chip but if you want both a custom chip that is real clay on the cheaper end milanos will work fine and you can get just the chip with no inlay and people do put together some nice custom sets that way. Milanos are inconsistent with color and size slightly but i have played no less than a couple hundre hours with them and everyone seems to like the chip. I collect and use paulson chips but for a cheaper clay chip milanos are decent and again i say that because i play with them regularly in a game where it matters that you have a decent chip (for security this may not be the best chip but if you customized it with uour own printed sticker it could work fine in most situations). My thought for a cheaper real clay set would be to purchase the milano mold without sticker and then add your own. For a more affordable set. You could always spend money and do that with a paulson set too (some of them) or just purchase but wait for custom poker chips where you have all aorts of options.

 

[LinkyBabe]

You can go to many established chip dealer sites on the internet and you tubers that are collectors that will all agree that milanos are real clay compression chips.

These are the same dealers that say slugged chips are also real clay chips. @CrazyEddie's post above contains three links and Part One talks about China Clays and they are injection molded plastic made to feel like clay chips. This has been well established by many knowledgeable members on this forum and I certainly trust them more than YouTubers.

 

[Eriks]

Dude i am definitely not one of the chip gurus on here but i have about 6000 paulson chips and a sample of the majestics and i play in a semi regular game with the milanos. I would agree that the majestics seem too clean and polished and alippery to be a real clay chip but the milanos (definitely not paulson) are definitely in my opinion a clay chip . You can go to many established chip dealer sites on the internet and you tubers that are collectors that will all agree that milanos are real clay compression chips. I believe i also mentioned for the price. Classic poker chips is best (short of being able to do some type of paulson purchase which is near impossible) for like 2 bucks a chip but if you want both a custom chip that is real clay on the cheaper end milanos will work fine and you can get just the chip with no inlay and people do put together some nice custom sets that way. Milanos are inconsistent with color and size slightly but i have played no less than a couple hundre hours with them and everyone seems to like the chip. I collect and use paulson chips but for a cheaper clay chip milanos are decent and again i say that because i play with them regularly in a game where it matters that you have a decent chip (for security this may not be the best chip but if you customized it with uour own printed sticker it could work fine in most situations). My thought for a cheaper real clay set would be to purchase the milano mold without sticker and then add your own. For a more affordable set. You could always spend money and do that with a paulson set too (some of them) or just purchase but wait for custom poker chips where you have all aorts of options.

I wish that was true but

 

[LotsOfChips]

Yes, if you believe the vendor claims that Milanos (and others) are "100% real clay", then you probably also believe that they are "official casino weight".

Both terms are meaningless and misleading. The only chips that are considered "clay" (on PCF) are Paulson, CPC, ASM, TRK and possibly one or two other (older) compression ,molded chips.

Anything being sold by vendors as "clay" for <$1/chip (other than Paulsons on a TCR sale) are 99.999% likely to be injection molded (plastic). Some are nice (talking about you Royals), some not so much, but none are "clay" as understood on PCF.

TLDR: Milanos not= clay, at least not here

 

[RichMahogany]

Lol at Milanos being a real clay chip.

I might have some heavyweight 13g clay chips I bought from Walmart for sale if you want them

 

[si3v3]

These are the same dealers that say slugged chips are also real clay chips. @CrazyEddie's post above contains three links and Part One talks about China Clays and they are injection molded plastic made to feel like clay chips. This has been well established by many knowledgeable members on this forum and I certainly trust them more than YouTube

Yes, if you believe the vendor claims that Milanos (and others) are "100% real clay", then you probably also believe that they are "official casino weight".

Both terms are meaningless and misleading. The only chips that are considered "clay" (on PCF) are Paulson, CPC, ASM, TRK and possibly one or two other (older) compression ,molded chips.

Anything being sold by vendors as "clay" for <$1/chip (other than Paulsons on a TCR sale) are 99.999% likely to be injection molded (plastic). Some are nice (talking about you Royals), some not so much, but none are "clay" as understood on PCF.

TLDR: Milanos not= clay, at least not here

I dont own a set of milanos but they do have the smell of a clay chip or worse and i definitely agree they are lower quality. I like paulsons ONLY that is the only chip i have interest in. Im only trying to be kind to someone on here that may not want to spend 2 bucks a chip or more. Milanos do take to oiling where they will take on oil versus a plastic or a “ceramic”. I agree they arent paulson quality on any level but i also think there are a lot of very occassional players that just want to have an affordable set that is clay (yes the clay make up of the chip is probably drastically different than paulson but

Anyways, the majestic ones are out of stock. I wanted to buy custom chips but actually feel the quality.
I found the vendor some PCF members used last year to order 10k ceramic poker chips made out of ceramic which had 2 cards carved along the edge.
The manufacturer is willing to ship 500 custom pieces from China to my house for $305?! This is already a great price for custom chips.

Those of you who were part of the 10k purchase, should have some reviews about the quality of this model. Should I get them or will they brake easily, for example, even on the way here or if they fall from the table during play?
I'd like to order at least 300 custom Majestics since they're real clay and not the metal coin-inside chips, but they're out of stock. Should I keep waiting? (You know, if you have non-custom Majestic, I might as well buy some from you? I'm in the U.S.A, Texas.)

It is my understanding that the majority here prefers

These are the same dealers that say slugged chips are also real clay chips. @CrazyEddie's post above contains three links and Part One talks about China Clays and they are injection molded plastic made to feel like clay chips. This has been well established by many knowledgeable members on this forum and I certainly trust them more than YouTubers.

You may be right but i have heard they are compression molded and they definitely smell like a real clay and they stack pretty decently and are not slippery when stacked which is a huge plus. Majestics on the other hand look awesome but are slippery as hell. I wouldnt purchase either chip but i was just trying to be helpful to someone that might be looking for a lower end chip that they could make a custom set out of. My intention is never to try to “one up” anyone on here - i love poker chips and collecting them and my goal here was only to be helpful. Milanos smell like real clay (i have never had a plastic chip smell like clay. They can be chalky and seem to absorb a little oil for appearance improvement - also something that plastic doesnt do at all). I may be wrong but if milanos are simply injection molded plastic something is definitely different and better about the chip makeup because it seems very clay like in characteristics to me and one of the guys i play cards with owns many and they play very nicely despite some small size and color inconsistencies. But guys im not trying to go to battle with any of you - you can all be smarter than i am and thats cool. I just wnjoy this site and im just giving feedback from what ive used and seen.

 

[Zr1]

If ceramics are on the menu, what is wrong with BRPro? Better quality blank, better print, faster response time ........... Why is it that everyone is constantly rushing for Chinese garbage and nobody wants a good chip anymore?

Cause u can get 3x as many chips for same price. Not the same quality of course but for someone needing a tournament and cash set for cheap its hard to beat

 

[LotsOfChips]

If ceramics are on the menu, what is wrong with BRPro? Better quality blank, better print, faster response time ........... Why is it that everyone is constantly rushing for Chinese garbage and nobody wants a good chip anymore?

Same reason that WalMart has pushed out every small retailer from most every town in USA...

 

[Chipandchair]

what Paulsons have you been smelling?
Also, Milano are not clay, nobody is arguing, they are trying to tell you a fact.

 

[Zr1]

If you want a decent chip to play with on weekends with your buddies its super hard to beat china clays. They are plastic but they feel ok for a .45 cent chip. Yes paulsons are better, yes they usually go up in value etc but a lot of people dont want to spend $1000s on a set. They are a better investment if you plan to sell the later. However you dont lose much in value with china clays. They sell fast on here. Lets say you buy 1000 for $450 and in 2 years you sell them for $350. Who cares. I own 1200 dunes china clay from apache... couldnt be happier. @Pippa loves his paulsons shit i love his paulsons. Every 2 weeks he tries to convince me but if i had paulsons i would never let anyone touch them cause they are so nice. I have a 1200 ceramic tournament set as well and both cost me a fraction of what a paulson set would cost

 

[tabletalker7]

Cause u can get 3x as many chips for same price. Not the same quality of course but for someone needing a tournament and cash set for cheap its hard to beat

Same reason that WalMart has pushed out every small retailer from most every town in USA...

If all that matters is the almighty dollar then order your official casino weight clay chips on Amazon for half the price of cards molds.

 

[Zr1]

For most people who just want chips to play on the weekend cost is what matters.I think card molds suck to be honest. I prefer the regular ceramic. If you get the regular ceramic they are like .21 each. Thats almost cheaper than amazon and they are custom made. Are they as nice as brpoker Ceramics?of course not but when you can get 1000 custom chips shipped to your door in 7 days for $300 its hard to beat

 

[ktran]

For most people who just want chips to play on the weekend cost is what matters.I think card molds suck to be honest. I prefer the regular ceramic. If you get the regular ceramic they are like .21 each. Thats almost cheaper than amazon and they are custom made. Are they as nice as brpoker Ceramics?of course not but when you can get 1000 custom chips shipped to your door in 7 days for $300 its hard to beat

What do you mean regular ceramic? From which company?

 

[PlaidDragon]

You can go to many established chip dealer sites on the internet and you tubers that are collectors that will all agree that milanos are real clay compression chips.

The only thing on which I might trust "established chip dealer sites on the internet" to be good at would be selling poker chips. Anything else.... not so much.

Regardless, this venue is home to an impressive number of subject matter experts. You might be better served learning from them rather than trying to school them.

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

No chip is 100% clay, not even Paulsons. On the other hand, china clay actually refers to a material, not the country of China. China clay is a type of real clay also called kaolin. So yes, china clay chips do have some actual clay in them. The primary difference that makes "real" clay chips superior is the compression molding. The china clay chips are injection molded, and the kaolin mixed with additives is much more plastic-y.

 

[si3v3]

The only thing on which I might trust "established chip dealer sites on the internet" to be good at would be selling poker chips. Anything else.... not so much.

Regardless, this venue is home to an impressive number of subject matter experts. You might be better served learning from them rather than trying to school them.

If you read what i wrote instead of trying to look down your nose at me i was thinking this person was looking for an affordable set of chips to customize not necessarily higher quality chips - ok so that is where i was coming from and maybe i read the guys question too fast or incorrectly- i will give you that. I also stated right away that i was not one of the chip gurus on here (and i say that humbly and respectfully - go back and read what i wrote). I do play a lot of poker and have for many years and ihave played in the main event of the world series of poker twice. Im not a great player but i have played with many many different chip sets - i have a bunch of jennie v’s (look that one up) i have about 1200 pharos ncv from when they first came out i have fun nites and starburst and jacks and horshoe cleveland. Again i DO NOT think im an authority in any way on here but only if this was a low budget guy which i felt maybe he was that these milanos might work for for what he was trying to do as a starter - thats all. I play with that chip in one of the games i play in and i dont love it but it plays ok and i know he could by them blank and put his own label on…take my opinion or leave it…im not looking for smart ass comments to me over it. Im not trying to steer anyone the wrong way or treat anyone disrespectfully. Instead of taking your potshots at me why dont you give the guy your superior advice instead of trolling me?

 

[LotsOfChips]

If you read what i wrote instead of trying to look down your nose at me i was thinking this person was looking for an affordable set of chips to customize not necessarily higher quality chips - ok so that is where i was coming from and maybe i read the guys question too fast or incorrectly- i will give you that. I also stated right away that i was not one of the chip gurus on here (and i say that humbly and respectfully - go back and read what i wrote). I do play a lot of poker and have for many years and ihave played in the main event of the world series of poker twice. Im not a great player but i have played with many many different chip sets - i have a bunch of jennie v’s (look that one up) i have about 1200 pharos ncv from when they first came out i have fun nites and starburst and jacks and horshoe cleveland. Again i DO NOT think im an authority in any way on here but only if this was a low budget guy which i felt maybe he was that these milanos might work for for what he was trying to do as a starter - thats all. I play with that chip in one of the games i play in and i dont love it but it plays ok and i know he could by them blank and put his own label on…take my opinion or leave it…im not looking for smart ass comments to me over it. Im not trying to steer anyone the wrong way or treat anyone disrespectfully. Instead of taking your potshots at me why dont you give the guy your superior advice instead of trolling me?

I don't think anyone disagrees that Milanos are an affordable budget chip for those who are looking for such. What most people are disagreeing with is your contention that they are compression molded clay chips. They are not, despite what vendors or people on YouTube say. We're not (or at least I'm not) looking down noses at you. We're (or at least I'm) just trying to correct some misinformation that you posted. Please take it in that context.