China clays with bright colors (like Paulson) (1 Viewer)

[Lapoda88]

Hey everyone,

Was curious as to what was stopping cheaper china clay chips from having a sharp edge like Paulson chips. I found an explanation to that, but then I began wondering why china clays can't get those super vibrant & bright colors that come out of Paulson chips. My simple assumption is that it would cost more to get those types of colors into a clay chip, but I'm sure myself as well as a bunch of others would consider paying $0.60+ for a china clay if the colors were that bright. I have a sample set of Royal china clays which almost achieve that same vibrancy, but not quite there yet.

Any thoughts?

 

[allforcharity]

Limitations of the injection mold process.

 

[ThinkingFold]

I'm sure myself as well as a bunch of others would consider paying $0.60+ for a china clay if the colors were that bright.

Pretty much answered the question there. Unfortunately, the cheaper cost leads to need of cheaper means of production and an inferior product.

 

[BGinGA]

Mass produced injection-molded plastic chips are available in bright colors and at inexpensive prices. But when you start mixing in additives to make them more 'clay-like', three things happen: complexity increases, the price goes up, and the plastic purity -- and thus brightness -- goes down. It's a trade-off.

The various components used in different colors of hand-made 'clay' chips are very expensive, as is the compression-molding process used to create them. Comparing them in any way to the above injection-molded 'plastic' products is just a futile attempt at apples/oranges/tangerines: all may be fruits, but with different configurations and flavors, with with appeal to completely different palates.

 

[Lapoda88]

Mass produced injection-molded plastic chips are available in bright colors and at inexpensive prices. But when you start mixing in additives to make them more 'clay-like', three things happen: complexity increases, the price goes up, and the plastic purity -- and thus brightness -- goes down. It's a trade-off.

The various components used in different colors of hand-made 'clay' chips are very expensive, as is the compression-molding process used to create them. Comparing them in any way to the above injection-molded 'plastic' products is just a futile attempt at apples/oranges/tangerines: all may be fruits, but with different configurations and flavors, with with appeal to completely different palates.

Hmm interesting... I have noticed an improvement in the colors between the Majestic & Royals, but it'll be interesting to see if it can be taken further. Thanks for the in-depth response, it was exactly what I was looking for

 

[Mr Winberg]

Was curious as to what was stopping cheaper china clay chips from having a sharp edge like Paulson chips.

Maybe not razor sharp Paulson quality, but these CC:s are pretty sharp for the price

 

[Lapoda88]

Maybe not razor sharp Paulson quality, but these CC:s are pretty sharp for the price

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Oooo what chips are these?

 

[Sal Bandini]

Hmm interesting... I have noticed an improvement in the colors between the Majestic & Royals, but it'll be interesting to see if it can be taken further. Thanks for the in-depth response, it was exactly what I was looking for

The problem with the Majestics and Royals is that they are more slippery than the other China Clays, like the Pharaohs and Dunes. They do not stack well at all.

 

[Santa123]

The problem with the Majestics and Royals is that they are more slippery than the other China Clays, like the Pharaohs and Dunes. They do not stack well at all.

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Cant say anything about the Majestic but

 

[Santa123]

100 Chips easily is not enough?

 

[Santa123]

No wobbling...

 

[LotsOfChips]

Hey everyone,

I have a sample set of Royal china clays which almost achieve that same vibrancy, but not quite there yet.

Any thoughts?

Have you oiled them yet? That really makes the colours pop!

 

[Sal Bandini]

I said they were slippery, not wobbly. Move a stack of 20. They fall over too easily.

 

[Santa123]

I said they were slippery, not wobbly. Move a stack of 20. They fall over too

https://photos.app.goo.gl/yAki7sEALpe9kYBD7

 

[Mr Winberg]

Oooo what chips are these?

The short answer is "12 Star Clay" (although the word "China" should be in there somewhere ).

For the long answer, see my posts in https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/12-star-clay-chips-recomendable.58899/

 

[William White]

I said they were slippery, not wobbly. Move a stack of 20. They fall over too easily.

I agree. When I bought my first CC set, I would have definitely gone with Majestics for the great look, but they were incredibly slippery!

 

[Lapoda88]

I agree. When I bought my first CC set, I would have definitely gone with Majestics for the great look, but they were incredibly slippery!

Yeah my sample set of Royal chips are also incredibly slippery. I went ahead and got some tiki kings for a set because they were so solid in stacking and didn't slip around at all. I may get a set of Royals in the future though.

 

[Papasatyr]

The problem with the Majestics and Royals is that they are more slippery than the other China Clays, like the Pharaohs and Dunes. They do not stack well at all.

Clean them.

YMMV, but I took some baby wipes (Costco's Kirkland brand) to my Milano samples. I'm not sure if I simply removed slippery production dust from the chips or if something on Kirkland baby wipes reacts chemically with the chip material. Whatever the case, once they were wiped clean my Milano samples behave like completely different chips--they stack quite well now.

I have not tried this with my Majestic samples yet. I'm anticipating a similar result.

 

[LotsOfChips]

Clean them.

YMMV, but I took some baby wipes (Costco's Kirkland brand) to my Milano samples. I'm not sure if I simply removed slippery production dust from the chips or if something on Kirkland baby wipes reacts chemically with the chip material. Whatever the case, once they were wiped clean my Milano samples behave like completely different chips--they stack quite well now.

I have not tried this with my Majestic samples yet. I'm anticipating a similar result.

Agreed! After cleaning, and even after post-cleaning LIGHT oiling, the Royals are not very slippery at all (IMO). And a light oiling really does improve the colours!