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Hi all,

Can anyone tell me how Ceramic chips are made and what materials are used? What gives them that distinct high pitched click sound and what makes then 50p per chips? Is manufacture really that expensive?

Thanks.

Also, how are the durability of the chip types? Are ceramics more durable or less than say composites over time? My slugged chips rock like hell but my Juego ceramics are solid as a rock to an unnatural degree.
 
Composite chips gets their sticker placed in the center by a machine on the factory line. Ceramics, well, just watch

The added labor is always going to cost more.
 
Hi all,

Can anyone tell me how Ceramic chips are made and what materials are used?

Ceramics are made out of plastic. All modern poker chips, including ceramics and clays, are made out of plastic. The different types of plastic used and the different formulas of the fillers and additives used is what gives each different type of chip its unique properties. Ceramic blanks are made via injection molding using white plastic and then have their designs printed directly onto them later.

The main characteristic of ceramic chips is that the plastic they're made out of is suitable for a type of printing called dye sublimation. The graphic design is printed on transfer paper, then the inked paper is held in contact with the chip while heat is applied. This vaporizes the ink and plastic slightly, which leaves the ink slightly embedded into the surface of the chip. The video @tabletalker7 posted above shows how it works. Because of this printing process, ceramic chips can be printed across their entire surface. Other types of chips can't be printed on directly with that degree of quality; their graphic designs are printed on paper or plastic circles which are then glued onto or pressed into the chip. This is why ceramics usually have large and highly detailed graphic designs, whereas clays have smaller designs surrounded by edge spots.

What gives them that distinct high pitched click sound
It's all about the specific plastic formulas they use. Unfortunately, we don't know what those formulas are; they're kept secret by the manufacturers.

and what makes then 50p per chips? Is manufacture really that expensive?
As you can see from the video, the printing process is manual and so is very labor-intensive. The blank chips themselves are injection-molded and so are very, very cheap to manufacture.
 
Composite chips gets their sticker placed in the center by a machine on the factory line. Ceramics, well, just watch

The added labor is always going to cost more.
Wow, couldn't find any videos on actual Dye-Sublimation and this one's on chips!

Ceramics are made out of plastic. All modern poker chips, including ceramics and clays, are made out of plastic. The different types of plastic used and the different formulas of the fillers and additives used is what gives each different type of chip its unique properties. Ceramic blanks are made via injection molding using white plastic and then have their designs printed directly onto them later.

The main characteristic of ceramic chips is that the plastic they're made out of is suitable for a type of printing called dye sublimation. The graphic design is printed on transfer paper, then the inked paper is held in contact with the chip while heat is applied. This vaporizes the ink and plastic slightly, which leaves the ink slightly embedded into the surface of the chip. The video @tabletalker7 posted above shows how it works. Because of this printing process, ceramic chips can be printed across their entire surface. Other types of chips can't be printed on directly with that degree of quality; their graphic designs are printed on paper or plastic circles which are then glued onto or pressed into the chip. This is why ceramics usually have large and highly detailed graphic designs, whereas clays have smaller designs surrounded by edge spots.


It's all about the specific plastic formulas they use. Unfortunately, we don't know what those formulas are; they're kept secret by the manufacturers.


As you can see from the video, the printing process is manual and so is very labor-intensive. The blank chips themselves are injection-molded and so are very, very cheap to manufacture.
Great insight, If they're still injection moulded like Clays does this mean they're similar quality / materials or will they use better materials as they're going to put them through a labour intensive dye? The "click sound" they make surely means they're different materials, are ceramics' actual materials usually more quality than say general slugged chips?

Also, I take it that "Clay" chip's colour comes from the plastic itself as it can't be printed on, how do they sperate these colours in such intricate designs such as striped edges or shapes if the melted plastic is poured into a mould?

Thanks.
 
Good questions!

Great insight, If they're still injection moulded like Clays does this mean they're similar quality / materials or will they use better materials as they're going to put them through a labour intensive dye?

Clays are compression molded, not injection molded. It's one of the defining features of clays.

However, there are a lot of chips that are marketed as "clays" or sometimes "clay composites" which are completely unlike clays. There are no official standards as to what "clay" means, so as a marketing term it's meaningless.

Around here, we categorize chips more-or-less like this:
  • Clays, which are compression-molded and have inlays pressed into the chip
  • Ceramics, which are injection-molded and are printed on directly using dye sublimation
  • Plastics, which are injection-molded and have adhesive labels stuck onto the chip
... even though all three are actually made out of plastic. Because of the different plastic formulas, the "clay" chips kinda look and feel like actual clay, and the "ceramics" kinda look and feel like actual ceramic (including making a "clink" sound).


The "click sound" they make surely means they're different materials, are ceramics' actual materials usually more quality than say general slugged chips?

Quality is subjective. It's more appropriate to say that each manufacturer chooses the materials for their chips in order to give them the characteristics that they want, and then we the consumers decide what we think the quality of the final product is. Most people think clays are the best-feeling chips and slugged chips are the worst, but that's only partly because of the materials. The way they're manufactured has a lot to do with it as well.

Mass-market slugged plastics such as dice chips are made to be low-cost, so they use cheaper materials, simpler manufacturing processes, simpler molds, and less quality control. High-quality casino-grade slugged plastics such as Matsui, Abbiati, and Bud Jones use more expensive materials, more complicated manufacturing, more complicated molds, and a great deal of quality control.

Clay chips are compression-molded, which is a very labor-intensive process. Ceramics are somewhere in the middle; the blanks are injection-molded so are cheap, but the printing is labor-intensive so is expensive.


Also, I take it that "Clay" chip's colour comes from the plastic itself as it can't be printed on, how do they sperate these colours in such intricate designs such as striped edges or shapes if the melted plastic is poured into a mould?

For clay chips, the colored edge spots are made by cutting out holes in the solid-colored blank where the spots will go, then cutting out spots from a different colored blank chip, then putting the spots from the second chip into the holes in the first chip, and then putting the whole chip into a compression mold and pressing the chip under high heat and pressure. That fuses the spots and blank together.

The process looks something like this:

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For injection-molded chips, the molds are cleverly designed so that the chip can be molded in multiple stages. Each stage uses a single color of plastic. First, a metal slug is placed in the first mold, and a layer of plastic is molded around that using the spot color; that stage has a thin layer through most of the body but is thick where the spots go. Then the chip is placed in a second mold, and another layer is molded around it, this time using the body color, producing the final chip.

Some plastic chips use three or even four colors of plastic, and their molds are even more complex.

This is called "two-shot" or "multi-shot" injection molding. This page has a nice overview, with this simple video:


Here's a video of an actual multi-shot injection mold in use, and it works somewhat like the molds for poker chips work. First the metal body of a flash drive is inserted into the mold, then a white shell is molded around the metal body, then a green shell is molded around the white, then a blue shell around the green, and then finally the completed part is removed from the mold:


You can see the results for a poker chip in this picture. Furthest inside is a metal slug. The orange spots are molded around that, then the red body is molded around the spots. Finally an adhesive label is stuck onto the finished plastic chip.

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I hope this answered some of your questions!
 
Good questions!



Clays are compression molded, not injection molded. It's one of the defining features of clays.

However, there are a lot of chips that are marketed as "clays" or sometimes "clay composites" which are completely unlike clays. There are no official standards as to what "clay" means, so as a marketing term it's meaningless.

Around here, we categorize chips more-or-less like this:
  • Clays, which are compression-molded and have inlays pressed into the chip
  • Ceramics, which are injection-molded and are printed on directly using dye sublimation
  • Plastics, which are injection-molded and have adhesive labels stuck onto the chip
... even though all three are actually made out of plastic. Because of the different plastic formulas, the "clay" chips kinda look and feel like actual clay, and the "ceramics" kinda look and feel like actual ceramic (including making a "clink" sound).




Quality is subjective. It's more appropriate to say that each manufacturer chooses the materials for their chips in order to give them the characteristics that they want, and then we the consumers decide what we think the quality of the final product is. Most people think clays are the best-feeling chips and slugged chips are the worst, but that's only partly because of the materials. The way they're manufactured has a lot to do with it as well.

Mass-market slugged plastics such as dice chips are made to be low-cost, so they use cheaper materials, simpler manufacturing processes, simpler molds, and less quality control. High-quality casino-grade slugged plastics such as Matsui, Abbiati, and Bud Jones use more expensive materials, more complicated manufacturing, more complicated molds, and a great deal of quality control.

Clay chips are compression-molded, which is a very labor-intensive process. Ceramics are somewhere in the middle; the blanks are injection-molded so are cheap, but the printing is labor-intensive so is expensive.




For clay chips, the colored edge spots are made by cutting out holes in the solid-colored blank where the spots will go, then cutting out spots from a different colored blank chip, then putting the spots from the second chip into the holes in the first chip, and then putting the whole chip into a compression mold and pressing the chip under high heat and pressure. That fuses the spots and blank together.

The process looks something like this:

View attachment 664909

For injection-molded chips, the molds are cleverly designed so that the chip can be molded in multiple stages. Each stage uses a single color of plastic. First, a metal slug is placed in the first mold, and a layer of plastic is molded around that using the spot color; that stage has a thin layer through most of the body but is thick where the spots go. Then the chip is placed in a second mold, and another layer is molded around it, this time using the body color, producing the final chip.

Some plastic chips use three or even four colors of plastic, and their molds are even more complex.

This is called "two-shot" or "multi-shot" injection molding. This page has a nice overview, with this simple video:


Here's a video of an actual multi-shot injection mold in use, and it works somewhat like the molds for poker chips work. First the metal body of a flash drive is inserted into the mold, then a white shell is molded around the metal body, then a green shell is molded around the white, then a blue shell around the green, and then finally the completed part is removed from the mold:


You can see the results for a poker chip in this picture. Furthest inside is a metal slug. The orange spots are molded around that, then the red body is molded around the spots. Finally an adhesive label is stuck onto the finished plastic chip.

View attachment 664929


I hope this answered some of your questions!
Wow, this should be on the main page, certainly helps. Thanks!
 
We'll get there. Eventually, you'll discover that "clay" chips are in fact thermoplastics. It will happen.
Eventually, you’ll discover the term clay composite and thermoplastic are not mutually exclusive things. And “clay” chips that exhibit thermoplastic properties do not need to be completely composed of synthetic polymers. A small percentage of thermoplastic polymer in a composite primarily composed of minerals and natural fibers will contribute to thermoplastic characteristics.

Just using my geochemistry and polymer science imagination…

But, we should save this for a meetup in case we need to clear the room.

As before…we can agree to disagree.
 

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