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Had something come up tonight. What happens when someone says all in if it’s not their turn to act. Is it binding?

I know if it’s their turn it’s binding, but what if it’s not their turn? Thanks.
 

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If there is intervening action by any player that did not have a chance to act before the player that acted out of turn, then the player declaring all in out of turn is off the hook. If all players check or fold to the player acting out of turn then the all in declaration becomes binding.
 
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If there is intervening action by any player that did not have a chance to act before the player that acted out of turn, then the player declaring all in out of turn is off the hook. If all players check or fold to the player acting out of turn then the all in declaration becomes binding.
Exactly this
 

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If there was a bet, or bet and raise, any call in between also means it's still binding.
this is also my understanding. "allin" applys always. it's different to "call" or "check" out of turn. in case nothing is to call, you cannot call. in case somebody bet, you cannot check
 

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this is also my understanding. "allin" applys always. it's different to "call" or "check" out of turn. in case nothing is to call, you cannot call. in case somebody bet, you cannot check
No, that’s not consistent with the rules.

Player A and B heads up. A to act first. B out of turn (OOT) declares all in for $120. A bets $25.

In both TDA and WSOP rules, B can now fold, call, or raise.

The actual exception to this rule (any bet/raise nullify OOT action) is an OOT fold, which is always binding.
 

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No, that’s not consistent with the rules.

Player A and B heads up. A to act first. B out of turn (OOT) declares all in for $120. A bets $25.

In both TDA and WSOP rules, B can now fold, call, or raise.

The actual exception to this rule (any bet/raise nullify OOT action) is an OOT fold, which is always binding.
Thank you for pointing this out!
 

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The only way out of turn is "off the hook" is if there is a bet or raise by a player that has yet to act in turn. If it is only checks or calls, the all in is binding and effective when it is that player's proper turn.
 

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^^ Or if the skipped player folds (in addition to a check or call). The skipped player must change the $$ amount faced by the out-of-turn player, by either betting or raising.

That said, some places have house rules that do not follow the norm -- some will dictate that the premature all-in is always binding, some will dictate that the 'call amount' portion of the premature all-in is "in the pot" even if the player decides to fold instead of raise after the action changes, and some will rule that an out-of-turn action is never binding at all.

Best to know the actual rules being used by the venue. Nothing trumps "My house, my rules".
 

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I played in a south Florida casino (Seminole Hard Rock, Ft.Lauderdale if I recall) that held all verbal actions of a "significant" amount as binding. I hate the rule (it caught me for a big loss on one hand), but that was their rule.

Not a fan of the ambiguous "significant" amount. Not a fan of house rules that dont follow TDA or RRoP. Still finished up $74 for the session, so no sour grapes for the casino, but it could have been for much more.
 

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I played in a south Florida casino (Seminole Hard Rock, Ft.Lauderdale if I recall) that held all verbal actions of a "significant" amount as binding. I hate the rule (it caught me for a big loss on one hand), but that was their rule.

Not a fan of the ambiguous "significant" amount. Not a fan of house rules that dont follow TDA or RRoP. Still finished up $74 for the session, so no sour grapes for the casino, but it could have been for much more.
I've seen 'significant action' interpreted as any action which is not a check or fold. Basically any action which introduces additional chips into the pot is 'significant'.
In home games, it is anyone's guess what will be ruled. :tdown:
 

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If there is intervening action by any player that did not have a chance to act before the player that acted out of turn, then the player declaring all in out of turn is off the hook. If all players check or fold to the player acting out of turn then the all in declaration becomes binding.
I just want to clarify.

Player A bets 100, Players B and C have yet to act and Player D says all in out of turn. If B and C both fold then D Is committed to the all in?
 

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Ok does just pushing all of your chips in constitute all in without announcing a raise?
 

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Yes. It is the physical action of raising or calling with all of your chips.
 

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That's what I told him but he wanted to argue it and other people at the table told him the same.
 

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He ted to say I had to verbaly announce all in. Then he tried to say it was a string bet but all of the chips moved at once. My reply was the chips did the talking and the other people at the table agreed with me. He was trying to run the table but shut his mouth after a bit.
 
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