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I want to put together a set of semi-customs based on the new apache china clays for a friend who hosts our regular thursday night game. I want to make this a surprise, and am organizing a buy where everyone in the game chips in what they can, and I'll make up the rest.

This is usually a .05/.10 game, with $20 buy ins, but it is uncapped, so I am known to get in for $200 some nights. Most buy in from 20-60. We are usually 7 handed on a full night.

I'd like to make this set a little bigger than needed to accommodate the nights that get out of hand.

100 x .05
200 x .25
200 x 1
80 x 5
20 x 20

for a total bank of 1055.

I think this covers the game, and Josh says the chips will be around for a while, so add ons should not be a problem. Anyone familiar with micro stakes want to chime in and tweak my breakdown?

I'm targeting 600 as that fits in a 600 chip carrier.
 
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definitely the optimal breakdown for a 600-chip set imo. which of the locals hosts? i forget. any ideas on the label design?
 

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my customs are still a little ways off.

Nick's brother scott is our regular host these days, and has been for a couple years. They sometimes refer to themselves as the Flying Rollenzo Bros., and that is the theme. They have a history of scott sending nick off to a head and neck injury by launching him off a see-saw. Hopefully that can be incorporated. J5 will likely get the job (if he'll take it).
 

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This may not be better than your breakdown but just an idea

100x5c 100x25c 370x$1 30x$20
Bank $1000
 

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I am dying inside just picturing one hundred nickel chips in play. Wouldn't 80 be enough?

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What is the standard raise? In a normal game it would be $0.30. Since people are so deep, do they tend to play like blinds don't matter or is it a more standard game? In a 600 chip set I would stick with 5 denominations unless people are raising way outside the blind levels.

4 denominations: ($650 house bank roll)
160 x 0.05
210 x 0.25
140 x 1.00
90 x 5.00

5 denominations
160 x 0.05
210 x 0.25
140 x 1.00
70 x 5.00
20 x 25.00
 

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I think Jose might be on to something with 80 nickels. I was just thinking it would be nice to have a half stack per player on the nights when we have 10.

As for standard raise, 3x raises in cash games are not that standard in my experience. People do raise to .30 sometimes. Sometimes .50. More if there are limpers.

I'm trying to at least keep denoms to even barrels. Not full racks.
 

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Rob, I would keep 100 nickels. My only siggestion is 70/30 on the $5 and $20 chips.

Give you a bit deeper bank, and most people will bet with the three lower denoms in most cases.

Bergs, hell of a funny post.
 

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He just took mine today but was happy to hear I have no deadline because he has a LOT on his plate right now
Well there is kind of a chip design Renaissance going on these days with CPC being back in the game and throwing big punches so I guess he has a lot on his plate.

The upside is that means a lot of beautifully designed chips are in the offing.

Does anyone know if chip design is a side gig for J5 or if it's his bread and butter? I know he does work for casinos as well.
 

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Rob, I would keep 100 nickels. My only siggestion is 70/30 on the $5 and $20 chips.

the aesthetics of a half full barrel are only marginally less disgusting than keith's proposed 80-nickel rack. split racks are more acceptable where the rack is split between the highest and second-highdest denom. not optimal, but acceptable. but a split barrel? not cool.
 

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I think this covers the game, and Josh says the chips will be around for a while, so add ons should not be a problem. Anyone familiar with micro stakes want to chime in and tweak my breakdown?

I'm targeting 600 as that fits in a 600 chip carrier.

No tweak needed. In our post-tourney cash games, we have played both 5c/10c and 25c/25c with a similar breakdown w/$20 buy-in's, and it works fine.

Typical initial buy-in stacks:
5c/10c : 10x5c, 14x25c, 16x$1
25c/25c : 12 x 25c, 17 x $1

Rebuys with $5.
 

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the aesthetics of a half full barrel are only marginally less disgusting than keith's proposed 80-nickel rack. split racks are more acceptable where the rack is split between the highest and second-highdest denom. not optimal, but acceptable. but a split barrel? not cool.

I'm OK with a split barrel if it's a 50/50 chip split... also, am OK with 75/25 in a 4x25 rack... but this is going in a 600 birdcage, which means 5x20 racks, so a 70/30 split will look awkward.

One way out: rack them as 14 nickels and 6 twenties per barrel. That actually looks pretty good in a rack, especially alongside the other racks.
 

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I suggest using rack splits of 67/33 for maximum aesthetic appeal - 33 is the sum of the first seven terms of the Fibonacci sequence (Jesus was 33 when he died after all), and 67 is a prime number, also signifying the number of times I punched myself in the side of the head after all of the above nerdery. So really, 67/33 is divinely ordained.
 

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No tweak needed. In our post-tourney cash games, we have played both 5c/10c and 25c/25c with a similar breakdown w/$20 buy-in's, and it works fine.

Typical initial buy-in stacks:
5c/10c : 10x5c, 14x25c, 16x$1
25c/25c : 12 x 25c, 17 x $1

Rebuys with $5.


The awesome thing about the .05/.10 buyin you listed is it is exactly 2 barrels. This leads me to the following break down:

100 x nickles
140 x quarters
160 x 1s
60 x 5s
40 x 20s

And spread this out in 5 racks, where the first 80 chips in the racks are 2 $20 .05/.10 buy ins separated by a middle row with the big chips.

As the game plays now, we use initial buy ins that look more like 10 x .05, 10 x .25, 7 x 1, 2 x 5.

We spend a lot of time making change. The regs tend towards wanting more big chips rather than more actual chips. Maybe this can start to re-train them.

In the space where there would be a missing rack, the cards and a dealer button could live?
 

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I'm OK with a split barrel if it's a 50/50 chip split... also, am OK with 75/25 in a 4x25 rack...

i am fine with both of these when used for tourney chips but that is because tournament chips aren't really poker chips.
 

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Chips or checks, when used in a tournament they hardly deserve to be lumped in with the tools of actual poker. Going to a casino and playing a "poker" tournament is like going to a steakhouse and ordering chicken fingers. It's the kids meal of poker.
 

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Chips or checks, when used in a tournament they hardly deserve to be lumped in with the tools of actual poker. Going to a casino and playing a "poker" tournament is like going to a steakhouse and ordering chicken fingers. It's the kids meal of poker.
I see it the other way around. I've walked with five digit payouts from tournaments but never left a cash table with more than a few thousand in profit. That's a lot of chicken fingers.
 

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My only concern for your current buyin setup is that I would assume you will have a lot of chip exchanging that could get annoying. With only 0.50 in blind money you could lose most if it in 2 hands.

The 5 chips are kind of worthless chips since most pots aren't going to require them. For example, someone raised 0.30 gets 2 callers so let's say there is 1 in the middle, next bet is 0.60 and there is 1 caller (2.2 in the middle). On the turn you bet 1.4 and player calls (5.00 in the middle). River you bet 3.75 or 4. The 5 dollar chips are really never used unless you get huge multiway action.

Feels that with your buyin amount you will have people changing 5s for 1's and asking for more 0.05 chips constantly.
 
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