Casablanca $5’s arrived in the mail. SMOKIN! (1 Viewer)
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Yes, they are beautiful!
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ImCrossland
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I just counted these up and how weird, you have exactly one rack too many! I'll take it off your hands, no problem.
RainmanTrail
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Very cool set! Love the pink $5s!
I just realized that the center inlay on these is actually milled out. I always though it was just a larger inlay before, but these are LCV, not SCV, which means they aren't normally made with a recess. But these have what appears to be a larger milled out center, then an inlay pressed in after. I've never seen another LCV with a recess before.
I just realized that the center inlay on these is actually milled out. I always though it was just a larger inlay before, but these are LCV, not SCV, which means they aren't normally made with a recess. But these have what appears to be a larger milled out center, then an inlay pressed in after. I've never seen another LCV with a recess before.
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ImCrossland
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I have no idea what any of this means but I definitely the inlays are different than any other chip format I've come across.
Hmmm -- have you looked at the darker $5s as well?
RainmanTrail
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Ya, there are a few chips in this set with the same inlay style.
It's not milled out, it's just the glossy-inlay LCV mold, which has a recess. They're extremely common as mixed SCV/LCV chips on any recent Paulson THCs, and exist in some older LCV chips which had glossy inlays. Like these:
Edit: Photo credit @superchromix, @Windwalker
Just make the inlay 1 inch and you have Casablancas.
It may not be quite that simple
Or maybe it is? if you look closely, the recess area of this chip is larger in diameter as well
Perhaps all the deep recess textured molds are like this, and the deep recess glossy molds are like the ones you posted
I forgot about those. Those are really a mystery to me, but from the pictures I’ve seen the Casablancas do just look like the glossy LCV mold. It’s hard to tell with the large inlay though.It may not be quite that simple
Or maybe it is? if you look closely, the recess area of this chip is larger in diameter as well
Perhaps all the deep recess textured molds are like this, and the deep recess glossy molds are like the ones you posted
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RainmanTrail
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Are they glossy though? I thought Casablancas were textured.
I've mentioned this before, but a lot, can't remember if all, of the chips in the casablanca set have alligned spots with the inlay, just like custom ASM's. I've never seen or heard of other paulson chips like that, so I've always felt rather suspicious of the chips, plus the inlay is bigger on some
clearly not the dollars, but they were never in the initial offering, cept maybe a few racks, if I recall
They don’t look like the same textured mold as @cpiaaq posted as the inner-ring doesn’t seem to be cut off like that one was. Based on that I think it’s highly likely that they would be glossy LCV, but theoretically they could be a completely different mold.
Anybody have a close-up?
a few of the denoms have edgespot alignment (and the larger recess on the LCV mold)
mustard $500s below are another example
not sure about the pink $5s, but any of the chips with the security micro dot will be glossy inlays (see below)
Used to have a rack of the Hawaii flower $500s, but forget if they were textured or not
Has anyone ever seen another casino with aligned inlay with edgespots ?
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I think the "Turning Stone" casino snappers that @FordPickup92 had a while back has the same league inlay @RainmanTrail ... we still have a sample, maybe she has pictures she could share, but to me they look the same as the Casablancas.
@pltrgyst next time we make it to Florida I would love a chance to see that amazing set in action. Have you ever brought it as a guest set for SQM? I know I am many years late to the party but wow those are just awesome!
@pltrgyst next time we make it to Florida I would love a chance to see that amazing set in action. Have you ever brought it as a guest set for SQM? I know I am many years late to the party but wow those are just awesome!
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Are these different @RainmanTrail ? They don't look pressed in after the fact though. I believe they were made that way, but still very odd. I guess that's what has to be done if you want maximum inlay size.
No, the mold doesn’t affect the maximum inlay size. You can still put anything up to a grand inlay on THC and it would work, it’s just rarely done. It ends up looking like this:
Those turning stones have textured inlays like the other chip I posted. And the same increased diameter of the recess going right into the bottom of the hats.
I tried to find more examples but it seems to be an odd duck (there are other turning stone chips on this mold). I’m starting to be convinced that @GianThaMan is right about the deep recess glossy mold and the deep recess textured mold is simply uncommon (and butchered, imo).
I tried to find more examples but it seems to be an odd duck (there are other turning stone chips on this mold). I’m starting to be convinced that @GianThaMan is right about the deep recess glossy mold and the deep recess textured mold is simply uncommon (and butchered, imo).
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Can anybody attach a link that explains the meaning of all these specific details? Would love to learn more.
RainmanTrail
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The strangest part to me is how the recess goes right up to the base of the hats. They almost look like they are milled or something. Like they were rejected by the first casino, so Paulson milled them out and somehow put a new label in lol. But I know they can't press them after they've already been pressed (or so I assume rather).
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Was thinking the same thing re milling...
They definitely didn’t mill the chips themselves, but they could’ve modified an existing mold. The fact that the texture of the recess doesn’t line up with the rest of the chip supports that idea. It was probably a prototype that they tried with a few casinos who wanted bigger inlays, but which they quickly gave up on.
Could it have been a predecessor to the RHC mold? The turning stone chips were made in 1993, and IIRC the RHC mold was introduced in the late 90s (1998?) as a way for casinos to get bigger inlays, so that could be it.
It's always available, with more chips than pictured there -- including the 3d14 $25s -- but I suspect Mark has enough sets of his own and other guest sets to cover the next decade of SQMs!
There are quite a few other chips out there that are like this. The entire old Turning Stone lineup was made this way.
These oddities (and others) have always intrigued me, until this thread I hadn't put it all together. The chips weren't milled, the master die was.
The master die (positive) was milled and then new cups (negative) were made from it. This is similar to the Ceasars Palace, LV mold where the recess goes right up to the edge of the columns now. There are worse examples (other casinos) where the recess goes into the letters of the house mold. I suspect 2 reasons for this. 1) its expensive to produce a new master die, so the old one is modified. and 2) The person doing the milling is "just following instructions" and the design has been ignored.
Pic of a master die and cups borrowed from @CrazyEddie's post here
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