Tourney Breakdown question for 3-table tournament with rebuys/addons (1 Viewer)

[bentax1978]

I'm playing in an annual 27-person tournament next weekend and this year I offered to bring the chips. I've played in in the past 13 years, and while it's a great tournament where a lot of money gets raised for charity, there's no reason we should be playing with dice chips for 8 hours when I have many significantly better alternatives.

Now the only catch is I'm flying in to play in this tournament, so I'd like to keep the number of chips I bring along to 1000 to keep things reasonable in terms of weight (plus 1000 is a nice round number that doesn't mess with my OCD).

So here are the parameters.

• 27 players
• T5-based tournament
• T1500 starting stacks
• unlimited T1500 rebuys
• single add-on at the end of the rebuy period

Since this is a charity tournament, there tend to be a lot of rebuys (I've been personally responsible for 10% of the total rebuys in at least one of the previous tournaments). Typically I would say there are 60-80 rebuys and 20-25 add-ons. So figure about 100 additional rebuys/add-ons total.

So my plan for the T1500 starting stacks was to use 10/10/7/1 of the T5/T25/T100/T500 chips. So that starts us off at 270/270/189/27. For the rebuys I was thinking (1) T500 and (1) T1000 chip. So adding in another (100) T500 and (100) T1000. I then rounded and added another barrel of the T100 chips (to help with coloring up the T5/25 chips).

Totaling everything up, here's where's I'm at (980 total chips).

(270) T5
(270) T25
(210) T100
(130) T500
(100) T1000
(20) T5000

To make it an even 1000 chips, I was going to add (20) T5000 chips. Figure it might be helpful at the end if people don't want huge chip stacks heads-up, or somehow there are a lot more rebuys than anticipated.

Anyway, if anyone has actually made it all the way to this point of the post and has any suggestions or sees any specific issues with my plan, please let me know. Just trying to make sure I'm not overlooking anything before I pack up and lug a 36 pound case of chips on a plane (something I'm not particularly looking forward to).

 

[Craig D]

Just use the 500s for the re-buys until they are gone before using the 1000s

It will work

If you can swing it maybe 5 more 100s for the starting stacks I think it will work better

 

[bentax1978]

Just use the 500s for the re-buys until they are gone before using the 1000s

We could do that for the initial rebuys and then just make change for some T1000 when we run out of T500 later in the rebuy period.

If you can swing it maybe 5 more 100s for the starting stacks I think it will work better

I should have enough T100 chips to do that (I'd have to dip into some of the more worn hotstamp chips), but then I I'd be over the 1000 chips number. But perhaps I shouldn't let an arbitrarily number like 1000 dictate the breakdown for this tournament. Brain vs OCD is going to be a tough fight

 

[gopherblue]

Aquasinos?

 

[bentax1978]

Aquasinos?

Nope. Aquasunos don't have a T5 chip.

 

[BGinGA]

Here's my recommendation:

T1500 starting stacks:
10 x T5
10 x T25
7 x T100
1 x T500
----------------
28 chips = T1500

Use 1xT500 and 1xT1000 for all T1500 re-buys and add-ons. 7 x T100 starting chips is plenty when using a T5-based structure.

The set below covers roughly 127 x T1500 buy-ins (27 starting stacks and 100 x T1500 re-buys/add-ons):

270 x T5
270 x T25
200 x T100 (includes extras for T5 color-up)
140 x T500 (includes extras for T25 color-up and 100x re-buys/add-ons)
100 x T1000 (used for 100x re-buys/add-ons only)
20 x T5000 (used for T100 and T500 color-ups only)
----------------
1000 chips

The actual numbers required are 270/270/203/141/19 = 1003, but given that the 100 re-buys/add-ons is not a concrete number, the slightly rounded numbers above should be just fine.

Dunno what structure is being used, but I do have a T5-based structure with 20-minute blinds that lasts 7+ hours (plus breaks) for 127 x 1500 buy-ins.

 

[bentax1978]

Here's my recommendation:

T1500 starting stacks:
10 x T5
10 x T25
7 x T100
1 x T500
----------------
28 chips = T1500

Use 1xT500 and 1xT1000 for all T1500 re-buys and add-ons. 7 x T100 starting chips is plenty when using a T5-based structure.

The set below covers roughly 127 x T1500 buy-ins (27 starting stacks and 100 x T1500 re-buys/add-ons):

270 x T5
270 x T25
200 x T100 (includes extras for T5 color-up)
140 x T500 (includes extras for T25 color-up and 100x re-buys/add-ons)
100 x T1000 (used for 100x re-buys/add-ons only)
20 x T5000 (used for T100 and T500 color-ups only)
----------------
1000 chips

The actual numbers required are 270/270/203/141/19 = 1003, but given that the 100 re-buys/add-ons is not a concrete number, the slightly rounded numbers above should be just fine.

Thanks Dave. I am pretty sure I had asked you this question before via PM. I couldn't find the message, so the numbers I posted in the OP were as best as I could recall from your previous advice.

Certainly the 100 rebuys/add-ons isn't concrete, so rounding down the numbers above is a non-issue. Just having a barrel of T5000 chips will ensure that there is plenty of bank even if this year there's a record number of rebuys.

Dunno what structure is being used, but I do have a T5-based structure with 20-minute blinds that lasts 7+ hours (plus breaks) for 127 x 1500 buy-ins.

I can't recall the specific structure, but I am pretty sure they've used the same one for the past 10+ years. It's not BGinGA approved (it doubles every round), but the levels are very long in the beginning. I want to say 30-45 minutes for the first three round, then slightly shorter after. I'll check with my friend who runs it as I'm curious now myself. I'm somewhat hesitant to push too hard for a change since everyone has played with this structure for so long (and it's a somewhat proven structure, even if it could be improved). Tournaments almost always last about 7 hours (excluding breaks), which is about what he is shooting for. But please feel free to post or PM me the structure as I'd like to see how it compares and perhaps I can suggest it as an alternative this year. New chips, why not a tweaked structure as well

 

[BGinGA]

please feel free to post or PM me the structure as I'd like to see how it compares

T1500 stacks (75BB)
20-minute blind levels

lvl sb bb
L1 10 20
L2 15 30
L3 20 40
L4 30 60
L5 40 80
remove T5 chips
L6 50 100
L7 75 150
L8 100 200
L9 150 300
remove T25 chips
L10 200 400
L11 300 600
L12 400 800
L13 600 1200
L14 800 1600
remove T100 chips
L15 1000 2000 +++
L16 1500 3000
L17 2000 4000
L18 2500 5000
remove T500 chips
L19 3000 6000
L20 4000 8000
L21 6000 12000 ***
L22 8000 16000
remove T1000 chips
L23 10000 20000
L24 15000 30000
L25 20000 40000
L26 25000 50000

+++ estimated 5 hours (plus breaks) for 27 players with no re-buys/add-ons

*** estimated 7 hours (plus breaks) for 27 players and 100 re-buys/add-ons

You can add additional early levels (5/10 and/or 5/15), but I think 75BB stacks are just about perfect for charity re-buy events. I'd run re-buys for the first five levels followed by the add-on at the first color-up break.

 

[bentax1978]

Got my new case in the mail today. It's absolutely fantastic, very happy with it. Here's a preview.

(There's a second layer of chips, 10 racks total)