"Big" PLO8 hand against a maniac

Josh Kifer

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I take it you only raise preflop with AA2xx then? What are other good hands?
.... Uh... So.. The Nuts is the best hand possible. I was going off your post, which that hand isn't the nuts. It's not even close to "the nuts". It's a good hand, so I'd play it as a good hand.

Never said once I wouldnt play it, but as I said before, I am not used to isolating with a A high and no low board to see if your low is worth anything. I agree playing against 1 is way better then having a group come along, but I'd have a hard time tossing out 20-30 dollar bets with a A high low draw with one nut flush draw... And literally nothing else.

I'd want to see a flop and actually know where my hand lands before the big bets come flying.
 

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.... Uh... So.. The Nuts is the best hand possible. I was going off your post, which that hand isn't the nuts. It's not even close to "the nuts". It's a good hand, so I'd play it as a good hand.

Never said once I wouldnt play it, but as I said before, I am not used to isolating with a A high and no low board to see if your low is worth anything. I agree playing against 1 is way better then having a group come along, but I'd have a hard time tossing out 20-30 dollar bets with a A high low draw with one nut flush draw... And literally nothing else.

I'd want to see a flop and actually know where my hand lands before the big bets come flying.

Damn near any two low cards will also give you a straight draw. I love low hands like this. I love me some low protection. Hmmm, probably should have embraced "protection" when I was 20, but oh well.

Either way, I'm either raising to 20, potting it, then grabbing a bourbon so that I'll enjoy the ride just a little bit better
 

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Damn near any two low cards will also give you a straight draw. I love low hands like this. I love me some low protection. Hmmm, probably should have embraced "protection" when I was 20, but oh well.

Either way, I'm either raising to 20, potting it, then grabbing a bourbon so that I'll enjoy the ride just a little bit better
Fine with protection, but... Far from the nuts....

I lose a bit too much protecting low draws in our game, so I'm curious how this plays out...
 

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Weekly I play 5/5 PLO with a live Mississippi straddle LIVE in any position. We run it Thursdays at the Casino Club. I will not pay attention to the denominations as it may effect my line of thinking. I am simply going to assume 5x. They play big0 Tuesdays and I say THEY because I do not like chopping pots or waiting all night for "nut nut."

ok phew! with all that said..... lol
I flat call here.
Off the top of my head 67% of the time your chopping with a/2 in Big0 (quartered) VS 40% in Omaha8. Your high hand FLUSH will be visible if hit and frankly isn't very vulnerable as straits win more than half the time in Omaha. Now swap a J/K for that 3/4 and ill repot.


God I love POKER!

ps lets see the chips might need u to harvest me a barrel of those quarters...
 

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Fine with protection, but... Far from the nuts....

I lose a bit too much protecting low draws in our game, so I'm curious how this plays out...

I never called it the nuts. Fuck, I love hands like this. I'll build a big pot with it every time. Fuck it. Lets play for stacks! :) Man I'm jonesing for some poker
 

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.... Uh... So.. The Nuts is the best hand possible. I was going off your post, which that hand isn't the nuts. It's not even close to "the nuts". It's a good hand, so I'd play it as a good hand.

Never said once I wouldnt play it, but as I said before, I am not used to isolating with a A high and no low board to see if your low is worth anything. I agree playing against 1 is way better then having a group come along, but I'd have a hard time tossing out 20-30 dollar bets with a A high low draw with one nut flush draw... And literally nothing else.

I'd want to see a flop and actually know where my hand lands before the big bets come flying.
Yes, I know it's not the absolute nut preflop starting hand (whatever that may be). I was clearly exaggerating. I guess when I referred to it as "the damn nuts" it didn't come off as joking to you.
 

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Damn near any two low cards will also give you a straight draw. I love low hands like this. I love me some low protection. Hmmm, probably should have embraced "protection" when I was 20, but oh well.

Either way, I'm either raising to 20, potting it, then grabbing a bourbon so that I'll enjoy the ride just a little bit better
This is why I need to read about the game. Because by my way of thinking, that straight is only maybe good if you isolate. In a multiway pot, with the low end of the straight, you're getting beat. But again, my gut tells me isolating isn't the right move here.
 

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Yes, I know it's not the absolute nut preflop starting hand (whatever that may be). I was clearly exaggerating. I guess when I referred to it as "the damn nuts" it didn't come off as joking to you.
You were joking about the status of a hand? Sorry, I guess I would think during a discussion about a hand, we're talking about... Uh... The hand...

I'll note sarcasm in your statements about hands from now on...
 

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This is why I need to read about the game. Because by my way of thinking, that straight is only maybe good if you isolate. In a multiway pot, with the low end of the straight, you're getting beat. But again, my gut tells me isolating isn't the right move here.

with a/2/3/4 you have an excellent shot at the nut low. With nut lows, you can very well get quartered. If part of the flopped nut low includes a 6 or a 7 now you have a pretty good high hand as well.
 

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You were joking about the status of a hand? Sorry, I guess I would think during a discussion about a hand, we're talking about... Uh... The hand...

I'll note sarcasm in your statements about hands from now on...
Are you serious guy? You are picking on me saying that this hand is legit the nuts. Obviously it's not, but it's a really strong hand that I would pot preflop and I'd pot the flop in this specific hand.
 

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I'd want to see a flop and actually know where my hand lands before the big bets come flying.
I guess we have different opinions on what constitutes “big bets flying” making it $20 preflop is how we make it possible to make real bets on the flop. And if the flop is the worst flop possible, KJJ we can let go of $20 easily enough and not have it be a big hit to the stack.
 
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You were joking about the status of a hand? Sorry, I guess I would think during a discussion about a hand, we're talking about... Uh... The hand...

I'll note sarcasm in your statements about hands from now on...

Wait? This is coming from you? lol..............Isn't "sarcasm" in about 99% of your posts?
 

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Are you serious guy? You are picking on me saying that this hand is legit the nuts. Obviously it's not, but it's a really strong hand that I would pot preflop and I'd pot the flop in this specific hand.
Lol. I'm not picking on anyone. I went off what you said.

Holy hell, sensitive today eh?
 

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Lol. I'm not picking on anyone. I went off what you said.

Holy hell, sensitive today eh?
Next time I read your comments on hands I'll make sure to remember that you said: "I'm a holdem player and have alot to learn on Omaha games."
 

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I guess we have different options on what constitutes “big bets flying” making it $20 preflop is how we make it possible to make real bets on the flop. And if the flop is the worst flop possible, KJJ we can let go of $20 easily enough and not have it be a big hit to the stack.
Oh yeah, I'm cheap... Very very cheap.... So it could just be buy in dynamics...
 

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You have great low possibilities and speculative at best high possibilities at this point. I don’t mind playing multi-way with this hand, although there is the danger that you will let a naked A2 or similar come along and get quartered. I like potting here most of the time.
 

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Next time I read your comments on hands I'll make sure to remember that you said: "I'm a holdem player and have alot to learn on Omaha games."
You mean... What I said before....

*clapping* good! I'm happy for you!
 

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I need to know whether villain is Cuban. If so, snap fold (just ask @Anthony Martino). If not, I’d pot and then reassess.

If there are ANY Cubans in the hand, FOLD!

Preflop I'm fine with a limp UTG or a raise, but I'm not looking to get stacks in pre with this hand. There's a good chunk of hands that never have a low come in. So when Villain raises I want to just call and hope others come along. It should make it harder for an aggressive opponent to run a bluff if he's facing a multiway field.

I'd be trying to get this as multiway as possible. You want bad players paying off with non-nut holdings. Yes, there's the risk you get quartered, but you have suitedness and super counterfeit low protection so let em in!
 

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If there are ANY Cubans in the hand, FOLD!

Preflop I'm fine with a limp UTG or a raise, but I'm not looking to get stacks in pre with this hand. There's a good chunk of hands that never have a low come in. So when Villain raises I want to just call and hope others come along. It should make it harder for an aggressive opponent to run a bluff if he's facing a multiway field.

I'd be trying to get this as multiway as possible. You want bad players paying off with non-nut holdings. Yes, there's the risk you get quartered, but you have suitedness and super counterfeit low protection so let em in!

Yeah, but you like to pull on it.......or be a puller? or something like that. I would fully expect you to flat call :)
 
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