Are these apache pharoah chips? (1 Viewer)

[phi]

Hey all,

I'm thinking of buying these second hand pharaoh chips. The seller claims he originally bought it from apache but the colours and patterns differ from the website. For examples the 100's, 5's and 25's denominations clearly different colour and pattern from the apache. Could anyone here confirm if they are from apache or where they originate from.

Also, could any confirm if these are indeed clay chips?


Cheers!

 

[Meddler2]

Hey all,

I'm thinking of buying these second hand pharaoh chips. The seller claims he originally bought it from apache but the colours and patterns differ from the website. For examples the 100's, 5's and 25's denominations clearly different colour and pattern from the apache. Could anyone here confirm if they are from apache or where they originate from.

Also, could any confirm if these are indeed clay chips?

These are high quality chips but not in the same sense as what we call "clay" chips such as Paulson or CPC. The chips in question are commonly referred to as "china clays" or "CC". The CC Pharaohs were and continue to be marketed as a true compression molded clay chip. While Paulson did produce a Paharaoh themed chip for the home market several years ago, the ones sold by Apache and previously from Chiptalk (similar poker chip enthusiast site as PCF) are not considered "clay" due to a) their different manufacturing process of injection-mold vs. compression-mold, b) using a sticker placed on the chip after the manufacturing process as opposed to an inlay that is pressed into the chip during the manufacturing process. c) differing ingredients; although some are the same. d) other

 

[phi]

These are high quality chips but not in the same sense as what we call "clay" chips such as Paulson or CPC. The chips in question are commonly referred to as "china clays" or "CC". While Paulson did produce a Paharaoh themed chip for the home market several years ago, the ones sold by Apache and previously from Chiptalk (similar poker chip enthusiast site as PCF) are not considered "clay" due to a) their different manufacturing process of injection-mold vs. compression-mold, b) using a sticker placed on the chip after the manufacturing process as opposed to an inlay that is pressed into the chip during the manufacturing process. c) differing ingredients; although some are the same. d) other

Thank you for your reply. My concern is that if these chips are actually from apache since the color and patterns are different from the website. e.g. the $5 denominations are pink rather then red. You can cross reference each chip and notice that there are differences. I cant seem to find any version of pharoahs that match the ones that are being sold.

I tried to look at chiptalk's version but it looks like they have sinced closed down a while ago so I cannot check it.

I think im probaly just being paranoid since the last time I bought a clay chip set it turned out to be the plastic version instead.

 

[LeLe]

Also, could any confirm if these are indeed clay chips?

The Pharaoh chip sold by Apache are NOT Clay Chips.

There are called China Clay but they are closer to plastic rather than Clay.

If you are looking for Clay Chips only, these are not what you looking for

 

[72o]

I think it’s just bad pictures. Those are the legit China Clay Pharaohs. But this line has also been known to have those colors fade over time.

 

[Beakertwang]

Definitely the Apache "china clay" pharaohs. Nice chips. There will be some color variance from batch to batch. Also, lighting in the pics can change the appearance. Not sure about Oz pricing, but they should be around 50¢/chip.

 

[Meddler2]

I don't see a huge difference in spot other than color variations but that will happen w cc between production runs.

 

[Meddler2]

Paulson Pharaohs vs cc Pharaohs courtesy homepokertourney:

 

[Colquhoun]

I don't see a huge difference in spot other than color variations but that will happen w cc between production runs.
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While the base colors look alike, it's almost like they faded quite a bit with some colors. The $25 has no pink edgespots at all...they look tan.

 

[Meddler2]

While the base colors look alike, it's almost like they faded quite a bit with some colors. The $25 has no pink edgespots at all...they look tan.

I'm wondering if these are the same chips that Greg Cagle/CT had manufactured way back in hmmm....2009?
"The new line continues to be produced as a true compression molded clay chip – as used in most casinos around the world".

Afaik that ^ was a false/misleading claim but I'm sure there are others more informed than me that could expand on it; but may likely result in a total thread derail.

 

[Eriks]

I'm wondering if these are the same chips that Greg Cagle/CT had manufactured way back in hmmm....2009?
"The new line continues to be produced as a true compression molded clay chip – as used in most casinos around the world".

Afaik that ^ was a false/misleading claim but I'm sure there are others more informed than me that could expand on it; but may likely result in a total thread derail.

I don’t know about those chips but these ones are most definitely china clays. Can’t say 100% they are the same as sold by Apache, but probably.

 

[phi]

Thanks everyone, I appreciate all the answers. I think we can say that these are made from the china clay material. Perhaps these are from Apache but from a different batch which could explain the different colors of the base and the edges?

I'm gonna slightly derail the thread as im thinking of biting the bullet on either these or the lucky luciano chips as I found them second hand at the same price point. As far as I know, the Luciano chips are manufactured by Sun Fly Casino Equipment, same company that produced the Everest set and Ascona set

 

[Colquhoun]

The original Paulson Pharaohs chips from the Chiptalk days were made using the “Paulson Chips” mold. Same colors and mold as the Classics line by Paulson. These are the only true compression clay chips made.
If the mold says “Pharaohs”, it it an injection-molded plastic chip.

 

[Meddler2]

Thank you for your reply. My concern is that if these chips are actually from apache since the color and patterns are different from the website. e.g. the $5 denominations are pink rather then red. You can cross reference each chip and notice that there are differences. I cant seem to find any version of pharoahs that match the ones that are being sold.

I tried to look at chiptalk's version but it looks like they have sinced closed down a while ago so I cannot check it.

I think im probaly just being paranoid since the last time I bought a clay chip set it turned out to be the plastic version instead.

Homepokertourney.com has pictures of the Chiptalk version. There's also a video on YouTube.

 

[ekricket]

I think the original photo is all about the lighting. I’ve owned these chips before and the original lighting makes all the colors off.

Has anybody found an injection point on these? The original run of $1000’s were crumbly, but they fixed that pretty quick. But the crumbles were very clay like, less plastic than Paulson more clay. You could grind them to dust between your fingers.

So I’d ask for more info on the tan 1000 if I was you. That’s the chips that would crumble. Also the 5000 were notorious for being slightly thicker than the others. You might find racks that fit everything else great, but would only hold 19.5 5000’s. So I always had a special rack for them.

 

[BGinGA]

There are five different versions of the Pharaoh's Club and Casino chips, all the brainchild of Greg Cagle (of chiptalk.net fame) and designed by world-class designer @Johnny5.

Three versions are compression-molded clay (with embedded inlays), produced by Paulson/GPI from 2005-2009. The most common Paulson set contains seven different denominations (25c, $1, $5, $25, $100, $500, $1000) on the PAULSON CHIPS mold, while two other Paulson sets contain seven chips each featuring inlay artwork with no denominations -- one set on the PAULSON CHIPS mold, and another set on the Paulson Card Pip (suits) mold. These are all true 'clay' chips, originally sold for ~$1.29 each and currently worth about $4-$5 per chip.

Two other versions are injection-molded 'china clay' plastics (with adhesive-backed laminated vinyl labels), made in Chinese plastics factories using the two-sided Pharaoh's mold (different markings on each side). The cc chip sets have nine denominations (5c, 25c, $1, $5, $25, $100, $500, $1000, $5000) using color schemes that match the original Paulson chip sets, and through the use of ingenious mold design, are able to provide five different edgespot configuration 'looks' with just three different base molds. The injection point cut-off is under the label on one side.

The cc Pharaoh's Club chips were initially imported and offered by TheChipRoom.com (along with the original Dunes Hotel/Resort Commemorative and the Desert Palms china clays), and later by ApachePokerChips.com (unknown if they are still produced by the same plastics factory as the initial cc chips). Originally sold in 2009 for 32c each, they currently retail for 49c per chip, and are considered by many to be the pinnacle of china clay chip design.

The chips pictured in the OP appear to be the china clay version, with visual differences due to poor photographic reproduction -- ask for better pics. And if you have found Sun-Fly hybrids at the same price point, I think that's a better value.

 

[fumagalli90]

Seems like these chips stayed in the sunlight for too long. The pink colors of the 100 and 25 are almost absent!

 

[ChrisTot]

While the base colors look alike, it's almost like they faded quite a bit with some colors. The $25 has no pink edgespots at all...they look tan.

Like this?

 

[ChrisTot]

^ looks like the wings are slightly different as well

 

[Hotus777]

Let me know your thoughts on these if you get them. Interested in going the cheap route myself.

 

[T_Chan]

I've had several sets, in large quantities of CC Pharaoh chips and there's been many times that the colors weren't quite the same. I think it's due to the poor QC and manufacturing process of these being made in the early days. Orange was especially bad, so the 1k's and bright spots on some of the chips looked quite different pretty often. Even if they were brand new out of the wrapper.

 

[ChrisTot]

I've had several sets, in large quantities of CC Pharaoh chips and there's been many times that the colors weren't quite the same. I think it's due to the poor QC and manufacturing process of these being made in the early days. Orange was especially bad, so the 1k's and bright spots on some of the chips looked quite different pretty often. Even if they were brand new out of the wrapper.

Did you ever see the green Vs blue from mine above? These are from 2 separate batches (if the one on the right is from Apache also)

 

[BirdCage]

I've had several sets, in large quantities of CC Pharaoh chips and there's been many times that the colors weren't quite the same. I think it's due to the poor QC and manufacturing process of these being made in the early days. Orange was especially bad, so the 1k's and bright spots on some of the chips looked quite different pretty often. Even if they were brand new out of the wrapper.

Agreed. Dunes CC chips also vary in color. Attached is a photo showing the pink 25 cent chips which were bought in different batches.

Color looks faded but the faded-looking chips were brand new and a more recent production run.

Oiling helps a bit, but won’t color correct too much.