Anyone heard of hotstamping China Clays? (Royals or Majestics, etc?)

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TheWoods

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This seems like a very honest way to acquire and absolutely sexy set, but how, who, and where?

Any examples?
 

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Few people hotstamp and hot stamping a new material (each chip type is different) will definitely take some honing in and may not even be possible in the end. If you’re really interested go for it but most wouldn’t.
 

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Most likely China Clays are most likely too brittle to withstand the compression of a hotstamp. Would recommend going for CPC and/or Paulsons if you really want a sick custom set. It will cost more, but will be worth the effort.
 

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Most likely China Clays are most likely too brittle to withstand the compression of a hotstamp. Would recommend going for CPC and/or Paulsons if you really want a sick custom set. It will cost more, but will be worth the effort.

Does CPC have a hot stamping service? Or is this a DIY/TRY it yourself type of thing?
 

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Don't know anything about hotstamping, but people use to laser faux clay chips a lot back in the day, so that might work on a CC?
 

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This seems like a very honest way to acquire and absolutely sexy set, but how, who, and where?

Any examples?
None. Not possible to hot-stamp china clays -- the material is too brittle.
 

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i can break a china clay easily with my hands; there is simply no chance they can reliably stand up to the force required for hotstamping.
 

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None. Not possible to hot-stamp china clays -- the material is too brittle.

Agreed. The Royals might be OK... I can't remember if I stress tested* any Royals when I had some in my possession but every single other CC I've encountered didn't hold up to the stress test I administered.

*Methodology: The highly scientific and very repeatable testing procedure of attempting to snap them between two fingers and a thumb in my non-dominant hand.
 

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I have a hot stamping machine that can incorporate different foils that I would think would be no problem for hot stamping clays. The only thing is that it was designed to be used for other materials. I have some china clay samples on the way that I am going to test it on. Who knows.....maybe I'll start hot stamping my own chips if it works!?!
 

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I have a hot stamping machine that can incorporate different foils that I would think would be no problem for hot stamping clays. The only thing is that it was designed to be used for other materials. I have some china clay samples on the way that I am going to test it on. Who knows.....maybe I'll start hot stamping my own chips if it works!?!
Very cool and I’m sure many other would be interested in the service (for payment of course) if you ever decide to offer it
 

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I have a hot stamping machine that can incorporate different foils that I would think would be no problem for hot stamping clays. The only thing is that it was designed to be used for other materials. I have some china clay samples on the way that I am going to test it on. Who knows.....maybe I'll start hot stamping my own chips if it works!?!
Won't work, waste of time. Too brittle and foil won't adhere to the surface.
 

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I don't believe that china clay chips can withstand hot stamping. But @AK Chip will prob know more about this...
 

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I think if they were hot-stampable, I’d like to get them hot-stamped, but they obviously aren’t, so I can’t. Instead, I’ll probably get hot-stamped CPCs someday.
 

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I think an additional issue with hot stamping cc's is that most if not all have a recess area for a label. I don't know how a HS instead of a label would look or feel due to that recess. Hot stamped clay or even plastic chips do not have a recess. I'm not aware of any cc's that don't have a recess, maybe this is something you can ask @Apache about. Maybe have some cc's made without a recess specifically for HS, but that doesn't address the issue of the material beings too brittle.
 
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I bet a label could be made to emulate a hot stamped chip. It's not a perfect solution, but it's easy and economical.
 

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Love me some hot stamps...so classy

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All the THC generic roulettes, Starbursts, dealer school and initialed hot stamps I have ever come across have a recess.

I don't think the slight recess you find on those chips compare to the depth of the recess you would find on a china clay chip without a label like the royals or whatever. How much do you have to mill out of those chips you mention to accept a label? Think about milling a TCH solid then hot stamping inside that milled out area. I stand by my statement that that would not look or feel good. Keep in mind this is my option and I have not done this so take that for what its worth.
 

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I don't think the slight recess you find on those chips compare to the depth of the recess you would find on a china clay chip without a label like the royals or whatever. How much do you have to mill out of those chips you mention to accept a label? Think about milling a TCH solid then hot stamping inside that milled out area. I stand by my statement that that would not look or feel good. Keep in mind this is my option and I have not done this so take that for what its worth.

It depends on how well used the THC chips are. A typical well-used THC hot stamp where the hot stamp is either mostly worn out or at least feels like it has worn flat has enough of a recess to allow application of a thin, unlaminated label without causing spinners.

But you are generally correct in that the recess would not be as deep as on a new china clay (or a base hybrid ceramic). If anyone is attempting to apply a laminated sticker to a hot stamp clay chip, they must be milled first. It doesn't require a lot of material to be taken out, just enough to cover the thickness of the sticker+laminate, i.e. pretty thin. In my experience, it is easier to mill out a minty condition chip than a well used condition chip (with an undermount router).

I don't know if there's much success out there when attempting to re-stamp a hot stamped chip that has already been milled out. I would be afraid that the weakening of the chip from the material that needs to be milled out on both sides may compromise the integrity of the chip enough to risk breakage during the second stamping process. If it worked, though, I would have no reason to believe that it won't/couldn't look good. Any thoughts, @AK Chip ?
 
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