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So I dropped my car off for an oil change and new front brakes this morning (1998 Toyota 4Runner). At drop off, I told them that I have switched from all city driving, to going over the mountain pass 4-6 times per month...so to please check the tires (tires have great tread, but are 11 years old)

I just got a call that they recommended the following, and said it would be dangerous to go over the pass once it starts snowing, unless these repairs are made:

4 new tires ($540)
Front brake hoses ($310)
Front strut type shock absorbers ($540)
Rear shock absorbers ($400)
Rebuild power steering rack ($1250)

I have been going to these guys for 12 years. I don't have a reason to distrust them. But are they messing with me? Are these all safety items? I guess I thought shocks affect ride not safety? And I have no idea about those other things.

My car SEEMS perfectly fine. Do I really have to do these things to be safe?

Someone please buy my Condados!!! Darn car!!
 
(tires have great tread, but are 11 years old)

I can't specifically comment on the rest of the list of repairs they suggested, but if it were me, I would strongly consider replacing the 11 year old tires, regardless of how much tread is left.
 
I'd get snow tires for mountain driving, personally. 11 year old all seasons are gonna be super slick. Front shocks especially are important for keeping the steering tires on the ground. You don't want to be sliding down a snowy hill while the tires bounce around in the air. Everything but the steering rack is going to have rubber parts that could be very rotted and cracked after 11 years. Maybe they can show you the issue with the steering rack? That's the one that stood out the most for me.
 
I can't specifically comment on the rest of the list of repairs they suggested, but if it were me, I would strongly consider replacing the 11 year old tires, regardless of how much tread is left.

A wise old owl once explained to me never to shirk on tyres considering these are the 4 x 1-2cm of rubber holding you to the road at any given time. Tread is irrelevant if the tyres are old. If they are cracked on the sidewalls then they've gone brittle and need, scratch that, must be replaced.


Generally My 2c worth, time for a new car. There's a reason old cars cost next to nothing and you've just had the bill explaining why.

That said, i have a German friend who's spent 5 x the value of the car on repairs and a respray on his 1994 Mercedes in the past 2 years. It's dead money but he knows the car is in excellent condition. In your situation he would repair. I would replace.

Also re shocks.. I got into a 60mph skid once, i corrected it and then skidded the other way and corrected and skidded again until finally i got the car under control.. Later on i found out one of the front shocks was broken in two, i can't say it didn't contribute to the difficulty of bringing the car under control. What i can say is once it was replaced i had much better control of the car in general.
 
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Years ago I lost control in my old F150 on a washboard dirt road. i crashed into a big rock but had slowed enough to not do too much damage. I later found out that all 4 shocks were completely drained of fluid and useless. I replaced them and it made a world of difference. You could take one off and feel if it is loose but it is probably time!
 
Years ago I lost control in my old F150 on a washboard dirt road. i crashed into a big rock but had slowed enough to not do too much damage. I later found out that all 4 shocks were completely drained of fluid and useless. I replaced them and it made a world of difference. You could take one off and feel if it is loose but it is probably time!

I think the lesson here is if you're going to keep an old car keep it in the best condition you can afford but for Hades' sake, make sure your tyres and shocks get looked after first! ;)

slightly off topic this was my suggested colour change for my German friend's respray. Disappointingly he opted for the same colour the car already was! Those Pesky Germans...


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So I dropped my car off for an oil change and new front brakes this morning (1998 Toyota 4Runner). At drop off, I told them that I have switched from all city driving, to going over the mountain pass 4-6 times per month...so to please check the tires (tires have great tread, but are 11 years old)

I just got a call that they recommended the following, and said it would be dangerous to go over the pass once it starts snowing, unless these repairs are made:

4 new tires ($540)
Front brake hoses ($310)
Front strut type shock absorbers ($540)
Rear shock absorbers ($400)
Rebuild power steering rack ($1250)

I have been going to these guys for 12 years. I don't have a reason to distrust them. But are they messing with me? Are these all safety items? I guess I thought shocks affect ride not safety? And I have no idea about those other things.

My car SEEMS perfectly fine. Do I really have to do these things to be safe?

Someone please buy my Condados!!! Darn car!!

Tires and shocks/struts contribute hugely to safe driving, steering, and general control of the car. The brake hoses are probably simply old and ready for replacement. If none of these components have been replaced in eleven years, it's long overtime to do so.

I can't speak to the power steering rack.
 
Tires are a must. Check out tires on The Tire Rack website. Usually the prices are better. Also see if you can drop ship to their shop and just charge you for mount and balance.

How many miles is on your car? That makes a difference on he other items.
 
Tires are a must. Check out tires on The Tire Rack website. Usually the prices are better. Also see if you can drop ship to their shop and just charge you for mount and balance.

How many miles is on your car? That makes a difference on he other items.

It has 125k miles. I will check out The Tire Rack, thanks!
 
I work in the automotive repair industry in all facets of it, and I want to say that the majority of shops are not out there to blatantly rip anybody off, they just can't any more. Word travels too quick now a days, word of mouth is a huge factor to a business and one bad experience with a customer can cause cyber nightmares for the shop for years. I feel like shops, be it mechanical repair or collision, that have been around for a while and don't have a ton of google or BBB (I can't stand the BBB, but they do a good job of keeping consumer complaints on record) hits that come back as negative you are probably pretty safe assuming you are not going to be completely ripped off.


However, and this is a big however, that is not to say that they won't sell you things that "could" be replaced and present it to you as a "need to do" item. Some people, a small percentage but still some, get everything done on their car at any time they are told to do something to it right down to paying someone $75 to replace a cabin air filter. It's very possible that this is being done for your items they are talking about. My thoughts on them:

Shocks & Struts: Definitely considered a safety item because they keep your tires in contact with the road. The age of the car says that of course they could be needed, but how does your car ride to you? When you hit bumps on the freeway does your steering wheel shake or jump around enough that you notice it and can tell that it's never been like that before? Any loud bumps or knocks when going over bumps? Does your nose dive noticeably when you brake? Any yes to those questions, or a general feeling of "unsteadiness" in your ride, I would say get them replaced. If you don't answer yes to any of those they very well still could need to be replaced, buuuut they probably aren't critical yet and probably no where near unsafe. You could probably get some miles out of them while you save up, or possibly stop by somewhere else later and ask them to give you their opinion, they will probably do it at no cost and if they feel another shop was trying to take you for a ride they will probably say that.

Brake Hoses: Brake hoses, unless a design flaw or very high mileage, are usually good for a long time. Are you having any braking issues? Bad brake hoses make your pedal feel squishy because they are expanding slightly when the fluid in them is forced against the brakes. Bad brake lines also leak, do you see leaks on the ground or have to add brake fluid ever? I feel like that's an odd one to "need" with out having some symptoms, but brakes are important enough I would never tell anyone with a car I haven't looked at not to worry about it. That is probably another one I would have another person look at to confirm, but I would definitley want to know what exactly is wrong with them before I just forked over $500.


Tires: I'm not a tire guy, but I have always heard that ten years is a long time for a tire even if they still have tread. Most of the time sun/weather rot kills them because cars with good tires on them sit with out being drove, but you say yours look fine... Either way, I think I would do some googling and find out what the general consensus is on tire age and when they should be replaced no matter what, I think you will find you are in the time frame that they are considered bad. Like someone mentioned above, it is insane how much control and faith we put in the tires on our vehicles, there are not many other things on a car (other than brakes) that when it catastrophically fails it is such bad news. For peace of mind I would probably advise to go ahead and get them replaced with the best all season tire you can afford. They will give you tons of miles, not to mention all season tires+4wd or AWD+half a brain=you can drive over the passes at any time they are open with no worry. The WSDOT will close the pass LONG before a modern automobile using all four wheels on good tires won't be able to drive over it.


Steering Rack: This one should be very obvious to the driver if it is in such a state of sadness that it is considered a safety hazard. Your wheel should be sloppy or your rig should be wandering all over the freeway in and out of the ruts as you wonder why you can't keep it straight for it to be that bad. It is a very important piece though, so for the sake of peace of mind I would find out exactly what is wrong with it and maybe get another opinion.




Just my opinions obviously, but cars are my thing, both for fun and work, so take it how you will. As to the shop itself, you say you have had work done there for long time, have you ever felt "up sold" before? Over the years can you think of instances where they could have "gouged" you but didn't? Like "well your brakes are getting down there, but you're just fine for another thousand miles or so..." or "That rattle you thought was a $500 part was actually a $0.50 hanger, have a nice day!"".... I think your gut probably has a pretty good feeling about it, but above all else remember its your car and there is ZERO shame in saying "thanks, I'll get back to you on that." and going and getting a second (or third) opinion.
 
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Late to the game Mel. How far are you from Bremerton. My cousin runs a shop and he is a tires, front end specialist. His nickname is Sasquatch. PM me if you want to give him a visit. He does business with Soundgarden members sometimes.
 
Wow, thanks for all of the great info everyone. Big decisions....
 

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