Angle or Gamesmanship? (1 Viewer)
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Lol what an idiot
Edit. I think I misunderstood the video. All betting had ended and it was time to show, and the Asian guy said "I have a full house" ? If so, that's super scummy and totally an angle.
Initially I thought it was table talk after a bet and he talked him into a fold.
Edit. I think I misunderstood the video. All betting had ended and it was time to show, and the Asian guy said "I have a full house" ? If so, that's super scummy and totally an angle.
Initially I thought it was table talk after a bet and he talked him into a fold.
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RichMahogany
Straight Flush
Was about to click the link. Then I noticed it said world star hip hop
tabletalker7
Full House
Where is the third choice of "idiocy"?
Kain8
Flush
Seat 1 TRUSTED the other player? How long have you been playing poker for Seat 1?
If an opponent states a hand they have, they need to table their cards to beat me. If they aren't able to, I am calling the floor over and getting your Mickey Mouse pathetic angling ass out of the game. What really boils my blood is that the duplicitous player just has this complete ignorant look on his face like it's an innocent mistake that he's never made before.
Seat 1 could've protected themselves quite easily by tabling their hand, but the fact that this situation occurred in the first place just shows how low some people will stoop.
If an opponent states a hand they have, they need to table their cards to beat me. If they aren't able to, I am calling the floor over and getting your Mickey Mouse pathetic angling ass out of the game. What really boils my blood is that the duplicitous player just has this complete ignorant look on his face like it's an innocent mistake that he's never made before.
Seat 1 could've protected themselves quite easily by tabling their hand, but the fact that this situation occurred in the first place just shows how low some people will stoop.
moose
4 of a Kind
More waaah not my fault.
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I think you had it right the first time. I think the guy made a bet, said he had a full house, so the other guy folded. Annoying, but gamesmanship.
Didn't there used to be a tournament rule that you could only talk about your hand if you were lying?
Edit - "no I didn't call his bet because he says he has a full house" - at 0:22
Guy who called the floor is a giant dink and a crybaby
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Legend5555
Full House
A player miscalling their hand at showdown intentionally to get another player to muck is scummy and unethical.
But how many times do players need to be told to never give up their cards until they SEE they are beat?
But how many times do players need to be told to never give up their cards until they SEE they are beat?
I'm still confused about which it is. Personally I don't give two shits what someone says to me after they have made a bet. They don't allow table talk at my local, and I'm not the type that would do it, but I think it's an interesting part of the game that should be allowed to a certain degree.
But lying about your hand at showdown is a super low move. That would be enough for me to write that person off as a pond dweller for life lol
I agree. Now, what do you think about the guy who called the floor after he folded to a bet from a trash talker?
He's not a pond dweller, he's just a salty bitch, but I'd still write him off as a person too
My 8 year old understands this so I have no sympathy for any adult.
He’s dumber than my 8 year old?
I dont think 'villain' tabled his hand and said " I have a full house"
I think villain said to seat 1 " I have a full house, i'll show if you fold"
Seat 1 folded.
OH the humanity ! lying at the poker table? what next ? peanut butter and jelly in the same jar ? COME ON!
Gamesmanship yes. poor gamesmanship? YES. Its why i like home games. Still get the occasional angle , but you can give them a LOT more shit for it.
I think villain said to seat 1 " I have a full house, i'll show if you fold"
Seat 1 folded.
OH the humanity ! lying at the poker table? what next ? peanut butter and jelly in the same jar ? COME ON!
Gamesmanship yes. poor gamesmanship? YES. Its why i like home games. Still get the occasional angle , but you can give them a LOT more shit for it.
AWenger
Full House
Forget the poll -- what about the casino chips -- how in the heck am I just finding out now that there are white (off-white) quarter-pie $1 Paulsons that were issued by a Casino in 2014 that I don't recall seeing before!?
I really can't tell if the chips in the video are Paulsons, but they have the same spot pattern as the one below. Although from the entire lineup of chips on the chipguide, it seems they may have changed to other plastic chips in 2018 or so. http://chipguide.themogh.org/cg_chip2.php?id=CASYCC&v=3612110252
If they're still live, someone near Santa Ynez needs to get there an start harvesting!
[p.s. On a related note, did someone really pull off a bluff at a 3/6 or 4/8 limit game?]
I really can't tell if the chips in the video are Paulsons, but they have the same spot pattern as the one below. Although from the entire lineup of chips on the chipguide, it seems they may have changed to other plastic chips in 2018 or so. http://chipguide.themogh.org/cg_chip2.php?id=CASYCC&v=3612110252
If they're still live, someone near Santa Ynez needs to get there an start harvesting!
[p.s. On a related note, did someone really pull off a bluff at a 3/6 or 4/8 limit game?]
Frogzilla
4 of a Kind
Angle and gamesmanship is the same thing, and this was neither
Kyle
Full House
Scummy. Like pm me an offer scummy.
It was bullshit (that should be an option), but you shouldn’t listen to anything anyone says at the table that’s poker related anyway!
Eloe2000
Straight Flush
It was not showdown. They don’t allow talking about your hand in the casinos I play in as far as I can remember (although a mild verbal warning at worst as far as consequence unless repeated). But regardless you are responsible for your own actions and there is certainly no rule that others must not lie at the table.
Big stack guy: made a bet and said “I have a full house. If you fold I will show”
Big baby: folds without calling bet
Big stack guy: shows hand which is not a full house
Big baby: realizes he would have had the better hand had he called the bet because Big stack guy didn’t have a full house. He calls for the floor.
Floor can’t and shouldn’t do anything here. Give Big stack guy a warning about talking about his hand if that is against the rules.
CrazyEddie
Full House
Just to be absolutely clear about the video, there was no showdown. The loser did not call the winner's bet. That was clarified by floor a couple of times. So he absolutely had no case and it seems like floor told him so.
Regarding a potential rule violation by the winner re talking about his hand:
RRoP says that "Revealing the contents of a live hand in a multihanded pot before the betting is complete" is improper and grounds for a warning (or worse). Key word there, though, is "multihanded". If I understand correctly, heads-up you can tell your opponent you've got anything you like, and so this guy did nothing wrong. In fact, he should be commended for making a brilliant play against an idiot.
Even multiway, though, I'm not clear on the reasoning behind the rule. Under what circumstances could revealing your hand disadvantage one of your opponents? I suppose there's a collusion-like element, where you let one opponent call and then tell the other guy "you should fold, I've got aces". But short of a prior collusive arrangement, is that collusion, or simply favoring a player at the table? Surely you're allowed to treat different players differently, right? Softplay one guy because you feel sorry for him and go all-out on another just because you don't like his face, or his breath, or his politics? Isn't that part of the psychological game?
And besides that, short of actually turning your cards face-up, doesn't the possibility that you could be lying about your hand count for something? Again, isn't that sort of table talk part of the psychological game?
Regarding a potential rule violation by the winner re talking about his hand:
RRoP says that "Revealing the contents of a live hand in a multihanded pot before the betting is complete" is improper and grounds for a warning (or worse). Key word there, though, is "multihanded". If I understand correctly, heads-up you can tell your opponent you've got anything you like, and so this guy did nothing wrong. In fact, he should be commended for making a brilliant play against an idiot.
Even multiway, though, I'm not clear on the reasoning behind the rule. Under what circumstances could revealing your hand disadvantage one of your opponents? I suppose there's a collusion-like element, where you let one opponent call and then tell the other guy "you should fold, I've got aces". But short of a prior collusive arrangement, is that collusion, or simply favoring a player at the table? Surely you're allowed to treat different players differently, right? Softplay one guy because you feel sorry for him and go all-out on another just because you don't like his face, or his breath, or his politics? Isn't that part of the psychological game?
And besides that, short of actually turning your cards face-up, doesn't the possibility that you could be lying about your hand count for something? Again, isn't that sort of table talk part of the psychological game?
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tabletalker7
Full House
Say you have top set in queens. I need a ten for the straight. If I know a third person just folded pocket tens ............. You can easily affect a multi player hand by doing this.
CrazyEddie
Full House
Point taken... but it seems to me the objection there is that the current hand is being influenced by a no-longer live player revealing the contents of his folded hand. It seems contrary to the spirit of the game for someone not in the hand to participate in any way, including by revealing information that could be relevant to the remaining players.
But if you alter the scenario - I have queens, you need a ten, and Bob over there with pocket tens is still in the hand but for whatever reason he's running his mouth trying to talk up or downplay his holdings because he thinks it'll give him an edge, but all he's really doing is letting you know your straight draw is toast... I actually wouldn't have a problem with that, from a fair play perspective. Bob's still live and has the right to influence his opponent's play, and (again, absent a collusive arrangement) I don't see why revealing or lying about his hand shouldn't be an option.
But if you alter the scenario - I have queens, you need a ten, and Bob over there with pocket tens is still in the hand but for whatever reason he's running his mouth trying to talk up or downplay his holdings because he thinks it'll give him an edge, but all he's really doing is letting you know your straight draw is toast... I actually wouldn't have a problem with that, from a fair play perspective. Bob's still live and has the right to influence his opponent's play, and (again, absent a collusive arrangement) I don't see why revealing or lying about his hand shouldn't be an option.
Rhodeman77
Straight Flush
I was playing in a home game that was a little more than just a casual game among friends. I made the top full house and over bet the bet on the river hoping to get a call from a full house. The board was like AAK44 and I had AK. The guy in the hand asked me if I had and Ace for a chopped pot, and I said I didn't (meaning a chop pot of course hahaha). He ended up calling and and was pissed that I lied about my hand . The guy isn't a regular player, a friend of a regular so he must play in some games where people say what they have when asked I guess.
. The guy isn't a regular player, a friend of a regular so he must play in some games where people say what they have when asked I guess.
Didn’t player x do the same thing in Molly’s game?
“Player X,” attempting to pull off a bluff, to his opponent, the worst player at the table, “I swear. Look at me. I swear on my mother’s life that I have you.”
The player, who was holding the nuts, folded his hand out of fear.
“Player X,” attempting to pull off a bluff, to his opponent, the worst player at the table, “I swear. Look at me. I swear on my mother’s life that I have you.”
The player, who was holding the nuts, folded his hand out of fear.
OP
OP
In a home game with friends I had 
board was:
I bet and my friend said “do you have it too?”
I said: “we are probably chopping”
He calls
river comes:
I jam. He calls and then is upset.
gamesmanship right?
board was:
I bet and my friend said “do you have it too?”
I said: “we are probably chopping”
He calls
river comes:
I jam. He calls and then is upset.
gamesmanship right?
Jimulacrum
Full House
Based on the video, big-stack player did nothing wrong. Lying about your hand during heads-up betting is fair game. Duplicitous, sure, but not against the rules, and not even against the spirit of the rules.
Player who called the floor is just being a sore loser and apparently doesn't understand poker.
Player who called the floor is just being a sore loser and apparently doesn't understand poker.
I TRUSTED HIM!
WHAT A KAREN!
WHAT A KAREN!
Chester Copperpot
Two Pair
One thing I have learned (from reading and not the hard way), is always make the guy you’re calling show his cards, unless he wants to just muck. If he wants to muck, I’ll take down the pot without showing. Otherwise, show your cards. As I saw someone here post: “Action’s on you.”
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