A Few Weeks Ago 1/2 NL Hands I Meant To Share Plus A Rules Freak Out (1 Viewer)

[Anthony Martino]

Was playing the $200 max buyin 1/2 NL at Silks in Tampa a few weeks ago and had some interesting happenings.

This guy on my immediate left was an absolute maniac. I guess before I had arrived he was doing $200 flips with another player and losing his shirt. This guy wanted to gamble and was constantly applying pressure.

I kept getting it in against him with the best of it but couldn't win. There was a limper in EP and a few other limpers, I raise AQ in LP and maniac shoves for $165.

I just know I have the best of it and look him up, he has 64 offsuit, cause, you know, maniac. Turns a 4 to double through me.

Throughout the session I wound up doubling him up a couple times despite having the best of it.

Eventually was down to $87 in my stack and limped AK off UTG, expecting him to raise, but he just limped, few other limpers and an old guy fish raises to $5. Gets back to me and I just shove.

Maniac calls and old fish calls

Flop is and I have no diamonds. They both check.

Turn and maniac bets $40 and the old fish grabs a stack of $100 and slams it down. Maniac folds frustrated.

Then the old guy turns up , I shit you not! He raised after a ton of limpers with that, then called my shove to $87 with it, then raised the maniac who was calling EVERYTHING ALL NIGHT with just about bottom pair on a four-flush board!


RULES FREAKOUT

So the maniac had been buying people at the table drinks and needling some nitty younger kid who usually plays 1/3 because he wasn't willing to do flips for $200.

So anyway, I'm at the table but folded, and on the river it's the maniac against another player. At showdown they have both turned their hands face-up and maniac has a pair, and the other player thinks he missed and is getting ready to flip his cards upside down, the dealer is getting ready to award the pot to maniac.

Well, I notice that the other player actually made a straight, since he has A9 and the board has 8TJQ on it, so I speak up and say "he has a straight", because I was always taught in Roberts Rules of Poker that players have an ethical duty to speak up if the pot is going to be awarded incorrectly.

The maniac next to me jumps out of his seat screaming SHUT THE FUCK UP! YOU'RE NOT IN THE HAND, IT'S NOT YOUR MONEY! LET THE DEALER DO THEIR JOB!

Meanwhile the dealer fucking BACKS THIS GUY! (he was a big over-tipper) and then another dealer who was playing in the game (who deals at the Hard Rock in Tampa) also backs him, both dealers are telling me I'm wrong and shouldn't speak up!

So I'm sitting there thinking "ok, well I've got this guy losing his shit AND two dealers telling me I'm wrong, I guess not all rooms abide by Roberts Rules" so I didn't bother escalating the incident to the floor.

But later I posted in the Florida Poker Players group on Facebook asking about the incident and EVERYONE told me I was right, including a dealer from Silks.

I wound up finding where they have their rules posted the next time I was there and sure enough they do have that rule that players should speak up in this spots, so at least if it occurs again I can bet the maniac $100 he's wrong and then prove it, lol.

 

[woog30]

I'm unclear from your explanation, were the cards tabled or were the cards in position where players could see them but not on their backs. I believe nobody can say anything until cards are on their back on table.

 

[Jz44]

It depends on exactly how the cards were exposed. If you were next to him and he picked up his cards enough that you and maybe the guy on the other side of him could see them, but he never actually "tabled" his hand, then the dealer and maniac are right. If he tabled the hand for all to see then at that point "cards speak" and you're right.

 

[Anthony Martino]

I was in seat 6 and the other player in seat 1

Both players hands were face up on the table, exposed for all to see

 

[Kain8]

I was in seat 6 and the other player in seat 1

Both players hands were face up on the table, exposed for all to see

That's bush league Mickey Mouse bullshit if the dealer isn't reading tabled hands correctly and then freaks out at you correcting him to award the pot.

 

[Anthony Martino]

That's bush league Mickey Mouse bullshit if the dealer isn't reading tabled hands correctly and then freaks out at you correcting him to award the pot.

It was the player who freaked out. But the dealer at Silks plus a dealer from Hard Rock both backed that guy, telling me I shouldn't have spoken up

In the facebook group post a bunch of players wanted to know the dealers names plus a Silks dealer also asked who it was, so I mentioned the dealer and I guess it caused some drama for them from what I heard

 

[Steve Birrer]

So let me see. Someone thinks if the dealer makes a mistake you should just keep your mouth shut? Bull shit. Flat ass wrong. Everybody makes mistakes. We're human. I can't believe the dealer backed up the maniac instead of apologizing and correctly awarding the hand.

 

[Anthony Martino]

The hand was correctly awarded after I spoke up, but both dealers backed the guy saying it was wrong for me to speak up

 

[PlaidDragon]

Whether you should have spoken or not, unless the straight hand was mucked somehow the dealer should have called in favor of it. The only thing the dealer should have been upset by is you indirectly calling him out for not doing his job.

 

[abby99]

Whether you should have spoken or not, unless the straight hand was mucked somehow the dealer should have called in favor of it. The only thing the dealer should have been upset by is you indirectly calling him out for not doing his job.

I was thinking the same thing. Do dealers get dinged for these errors, other than not getting tipped?

 

[Danger mouse]

Easy solution.

Apologise to the player and both dealers. “I am sorry you are correct I should let the dealers do their jobs”

Then look dead at the dealers and say “maybe you need more training in your fkn job if you can’t tell a straight beats one pair”

 

[Kain8]

I was thinking the same thing. Do dealers get dinged for these errors, other than not getting tipped?

Can't speak for all dealers everywhere, but when I was a dealer when this kind of situation occurred, dealer would get talked to by the poker room manager. If it was especially egregious and flew in the face of casino procedure, that'd go in your file.

 

[Amarena Fabbri]

Well, I notice that the other player actually made a straight, since he has A9 and the board has 8TJQ on it, so I speak up and say "he has a straight", because I was always taught in Roberts Rules of Poker that players have an ethical duty to speak up if the pot is going to be awarded incorrectly.

The maniac next to me jumps out of his seat screaming SHUT THE FUCK UP! YOU'RE NOT IN THE HAND, IT'S NOT YOUR MONEY! LET THE DEALER DO THEIR JOB!

If he properly tables his hand, then you're correct. If it wasn't yet tabled, you're wrong.

 

[Anthony Martino]

Hands were both tabled face up, he was at other end of table so I couldn't see it otherwise

 

[JustinInMN]

If he properly tables his hand, then you're correct. If it wasn't yet tabled, you're wrong.

This is correct, if he tables his hand correctly all players can read it, if not then you have violated the one player per hand rule.

Sounds like the former is clearly the case, the dealer may be confused thinking you are offering improper assistance, but he would be wrong. That's the most charitable explanation I would offer.

I would insist on the floor ruling if it's not corrected.

 

[Anthony Martino]

The correct player was awarded the pot after I spoke up.

At the time I didn't call the floor because I had a player flipping out and two dealers telling me I was wrong for speaking up, so I assumed this room didn't follow what I was accustomed to

I found out after the fact I was correct and I know where the rule is posted if it ever happens again