$2 Poker drop- how does it work (1 Viewer)

[spellholly]

One of my new favorite chips is the $2 chip- mainly because it is just so specialized (as it is a drop chip for poker).

I think I understand the concept of how drop chips work- the dealer of a poker game takes a chip from the pot- puts a chip from their rack into the pot and takes a chip that makes up the difference into the drop box.

I am curious though- when specifically the $2 chip is used and what the commission (drop) is for a given pot. (generally).

I understand it might be a multifaceted question- but any sort of info about the breakdown about how poker rakes are done with $2 drop chips would be helpful!

 

[allforcharity]

I believe they are also used for $4/$8 and higher limit games.

 

[Josh Kifer]

Alot of places use drop chips to collect money and limit space in the drop box (one 3 dollar chip instead of 3 1 dollar chips, etc). And alot of places will use 2 dollar chips for limit games.

 

[moose]

One of my new favorite chips is the $2 chip- mainly because it is just so specialized (as it is a drop chip for poker).

I think I understand the concept of how drop chips work- the dealer of a poker game takes a chip from the pot- puts a chip from the rack pot into the pot rack and takes a chip that makes up the difference into the drop box.

I am curious though- when specifically the $2 chip is used and what the commission (drop) is for a given pot. (generally).

I understand it might be a multifaceted question- but any sort of info about the breakdown about how poker rakes are done with $2 drop chips would be helpful!

FYP. It would be really great if the casino paid the rake from their rack.

It's more likely a $4 drop chip. But they are disappearing fast, because in the good old days it was 10% up to $4, now it is more likely 10% up to $5 with a $1-$2 promo drop on top. Now they usually stack up $1 chips from the pot until the rake totals $5, then they drop the $1 chips into the tray and put a $5 chip into the drop box. Really the purpose is to minimize the # of chips in the drop box, so they can go longer without emptying the box.

 

[spellholly]

FYP. It would be really great if the casino paid the rake from their rack.

It's more likely a $4 drop chip. But they are disappearing fast, because in the good old days it was 10% up to $4, now it is more likely 10% up to $5 with a $1-$2 promo drop on top. Now they usually stack up $1 chips from the pot until the rake totals $5, then they drop the $1 chips into the tray and put a $5 chip into the drop box. Really the purpose is to minimize the # of chips in the drop box, so they can go longer without emptying the box.

So I am not really following- Let me start with what I think I understand from what you said:

1) What ever chip comes from the pot goes into the rack
2) They try to use a drop chip with the closest value to the difference to avoid filling up the box
3) Most games are no longer using $2 chips

So I guess what I am asking is what would the rake look like IF they were dropping a $2 chip- like how much would go from pot to rack then ($2) rack to box?

 

[Machine]

You're asking the wrong questions...

If you are looking to incorporate a specific chip well that's easy enough. I can take a 5000 marked chip and use it as a .5c chip, like wise I can use any chip that I want to use as a drop chip. You can use a 2 dollar drop chip to drop 10 dollars.

If you're asking how do you run a game with a rake, and how would you use a drop chip, and or why, well you ought to be more specific.

How would you cycle a drop chip to the tray, and into the box..
It depends on multiple factors, of which the highest impact to how you would rake a drop chip would depend on the dealer.
Other things that would impact the details would be:
1) Can / Is the dealer being tipped by the players?
There are games where dealers can't be tipped with chips and priority would change with regards to location of chips.
2) Overall chip count / type of game
Limit games are likely to have a significant amount of 'work chips' meaning lots of one denom, typically $5, typically used for the rake. its unlikely you would use a drop chip in a game like this.
3) Is the dealer left handed or right
would affect chip position as to how the drop chip is moved in and out of the tray (details)

The decision to use a drop chip would depend on another set of factors that I won't try to cover in this post.

How I would handle using a drop chip as a dealer accepting tips (right handed)?

Rake chip would come into the tray on the left, where the pink / purple lines are, it would be empty except for the pending raked chips to be dropped. I would then cycle them left and drop a drop chip (brown location).

once moved out of the pink / purple location it would go into the green location and a floor person would pick them up or the dealer would sell them out of the tray.

The brown area would be the drop chip location, and the red outlines where tips would go. Ideally there would be red (5) chips in the green section that you would use to color up whites(1).

I've also seen you're 'Wanted' ad, specialty drop chips are typically not circulated so they may be more difficult to locate. (though I'm no expert on the subject)

 

[moose]

Wow that's complicated.

This is how it works.

Let's say the rake is 10% up to $4.

When the pot hits $10, the dealer takes $1 out of the pot. Usually there is a designated spot on the table, sometimes it is just a circle marked rake, sometimes it is rested on the corner of the tray, (but not in the tray). Often it is a short semi-circular metal holder, that is just high enough to hold the max rake. In this photo you can see the dealer sets the rake right on top of the drop slot.

As the pot grows the dealer continues to remove chips from the pot until it hits max rake ($4). The rake is never dropped until the hand is over so that everyone at the table can see how much was removed from the pot. When the pot hits $40, then there would be $4 in rake on the table in the designated spot and $36 remaining in the pot.

If you are using $2 drop chips then the process is:

at the conclusion of the hand, the dealer awards the pot and gathers in all the cards. Then he would take two $2 drop chips from his tray and place them on the table so that the cameras can see that he is swapping the chips dollar for dollar. Then he takes the rake collected and puts the chips into his tray. Then the drop chips go into the drop box. This is the final act at the conclusion of the hand. Once the rake is dropped, the hand is concluded and the dealer starts the shuffle for the next hand. Rarely have I seen dealers put the rake into the dealer tray, definitely if you are using drop chips, there would be no point in putting the exchanged chips back into the tray. Usually there is a dedicated drop box. I have never seen dealers put their own tips into the tray. The tray is the casinos money. Either they put their tips into their pocket or have their own tip box that they carry around with them.

The general reason for not putting rake into the tray is so that if the dealer opens the table with say $5000 in the tray, then there should always be $5000 in the tray, whether it be chips or cash. If the count is ever wrong, then the dealer has made a mistake in exchanging chips for cash as players rebuy from the dealer. If you rake into the tray, then it would be hard to know the count of the tray. You would have to use the process by DeusEx above, but that is needlessly complicated. If the dealer ever made a mistake, putting the rake into the wrong side then the count would be off and they wouldn't know if the mistake was in exchanging chips for cash or if it was rake chips in the wrong side. But some places do indeed rake into the tray. Most however, the dealers are responsible for the tray and the first thing a new dealer does before tapping in, is count the tray and cash to verify the count is correct. The new dealer would have no idea how much rake is 'supposed' to be in the tray, so it would be difficult to prevent a dealer from shorting the casino and stealing from their employer. Another reason for not putting rake into the tray, is then the players can see exactly how much money the casino is making off the game. If the rake is dropped into a box, then 'out of sight, out of mind'.

Rake boxes are almost always opaque, so that it can not be seen by the players how much money has been removed from the game (house money) and tip boxes are almost always clear, so there is visual proof of the chips the dealer has personally collected from the players, in case the count in the tray should ever be incorrect.

 

[Machine]

@moose - My assumption was, the OP was asking how the chips would move for a drop chip, the context was in an underground game. I've never been in an underground game where the drop was the casino style rake drop, they are always a tip box style rake drop. That is they don't have the spring loaded shoot, such as your circle.

It is complicated which was also why I though the question was geared to non casino games, casino rakes and drop would / should be very transparent. It is a very similar process.

 

[spellholly]

@Machine @moose Thank you both! I am mainly curious about how the Golden Nugget $2 chip would have been used but I think this helps! There is a bit more to it than I would have imagined- thank you for taking the time to explain!!

 

[scaredmoney]

@Machine @moose Thank you both! I am mainly curious about how the Golden Nugget $2 chip would have been used but I think this helps! There is a bit more to it than I would have imagined- thank you for taking the time to explain!!

When I went to Golden Nugget in April they were just using it to make change for $5 chips. Most places they have the $2 chip and use it to put in the rake box and they don't give it to players.

 

[MikesDad]

At Maryland Live! they use $2 chips
-- in the 1/3 game to make change
-- as rake from each fund to hand jackpots and promotions
-- in the 6/12 OE game

 

[spellholly]

When I went to Golden Nugget in April they were just using it to make change for $5 chips. Most places they have the $2 chip and use it to put in the rake box and they don't give it to players.

So they were handing these out to the players? I know a lot of times us collectors will ask to buy them and sometimes get them- but I am curious that they might have been using them other than drop.

 

[Chipton]

So they were handing these out to the players? I know a lot of times us collectors will ask to buy them and sometimes get them- but I am curious that they might have been using them other than drop.

These are what really turned me onto the drop chip.