#14! Phil Hellmuth wins 10K Razz

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Watched the live coverage. Good to watch something other than NLHE
 

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Me too haha. Never played it before cause Im not into limit games that much.
But will certainly try it out!
 

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Perfect t-shirt opportunity:

I love/hate Razz

Few games (if any) can match the frustration level that seems built into Razz.
 

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I've never played any ante games really. I was surprised to see they didn't change who they dealt to HU. Is this the norm?
 

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Yes, since there is no button in those games (position can change during the hand depending on the board showing) they always deal the 1st card to seat 1 etc.

"The first round of betting starts with a forced bet by the lowest upcard by suit. On subsequent betting rounds, the high hand on board initiates the action. (A tie is broken by position, with the player who received cards first acting first.)"

@stocky You have never played holdem with Antes? :eek:
 

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Didn't see the coverage, but stud-based games are always dealt to seat 1 first. Action starts with the worst hand showing (highest card by rank/suit in Razz, lowest card in Stud)
 

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not a fan of Razz or Hellmouth.

Don't know much about Razz, but Helmuth is a local to these parts, with many locals who know him extremely well. Word is on Phil that he's got a TV persona, and is completely different in person. Very philanthropic (donates tons) and a super friendly and non-egotistical demeanor.
 

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Don't know much about Razz, but Helmuth is a local to these parts, with many locals who know him extremely well. Word is on Phil that he's got a TV persona, and is completely different in person. Very philanthropic (donates tons) and a super friendly and non-egotistical demeanor.

I've heard the same thing about him. Still don't like him.
 

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I think I'd like to sit and have drinks with Phil 1 on 1 any day. I can believe the TV persona is mostly all BS and he laughs all the way to the bank.
 

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I think I'd like to sit and have drinks with Phil 1 on 1 any day. I can believe the TV persona is mostly all BS and he laughs all the way to the bank.

I understand, and I guess I even get it. They way he treats people whether for "TV" or not is just kind of shitty. I don't really watch poker anymore. When I did, if he was on I would usually turn it as soon as he started acting like a 7 year old and throwing one of his tantrums.
 

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I hear ya. On second thought I think I'd rather talk to a bunch of the pro poker hotties that are out there.
 

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I think I'd like to sit and have drinks with Phil 1 on 1 any day. I can believe the TV persona is mostly all BS and he laughs all the way to the bank.
My wife is an event manager and once ran a major event in Atlantis where she had to work closely with both him and Annie Duke.

She swears that he was one of the nicest human beings you could ever hope to meet. If I watch an event and she sees him on she will say "Oh I hope Phil wins." So according to my wife at least, he's a great guy.

Now Annie Duke.....lets just say my wife is not as fond of her.
 

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Oh, and from the year I played in the main event. Dinner with Phil Hellmuth at the next table. Yes, apparently the cap never comes off.

 

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I can see Phil, but he is just another human. So I dont get why one would take a photo like that :)
 

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Only problem I have with Phil is that he continued his association with and defended Ultimate Bet.

I used to think he was basically a large field NLHE tournament specialist. I have no good reason to think he's any great cash game beast, but he has shown he's capable of competing with the best in other games at this point.
 

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He is one of the best if not the best player out there in terms of playing against amateurs. He doesnt take a lot of risk to lose his stack without the nuts.
And he has been sucessful with that strategy for years.
 

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Phil is a decent guy away from the table. At the table, he has a huge ego. Not too good in the boxing ring, according to Sam Grizzle.
 

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god i love sam grizzle.


"You know my heart is pure"

I've talked to Hellmuth on several occassions, both post WSOP win and heartbreak, and he's been great to deal with every time. I'm not a fan of the berating other players bit, but he doesn't do that very much anymore.

I think he's probably one of the top-10 tournament players of all time, but I don't know how well he would fare in a night of cash games at Truman's House.
 
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