12 hours of Holiday Poker (2 Viewers)

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12 hours of cards..

Last night was a Neighbor’s annual holiday guys night... Usually involves several $20 turbos of what might be loosely categorized as poker, but the play (and etiquette) is so slow and bad, I use these events more as an excuse to catch up with neighbors. Etc. if I considered it “poker” my OCD on etiquette would drive me insane. I did offer to provide chips and a PCF topper to the game, the host eagerly accepted. (The players raved about the topper).

The night started out at 4pm at another neighbor’s holiday party (directly across from @Jason house). They go all out... AND there’s a lot of degenerate alpha males in the neighborhood who have lots of money, love to play poker drunk, but have no clue how to play well. I planned to go to this party with my wife, hang for a couple hours, then head off to another neighbors “guys” night). During the party, @Jason starts to rally the guys for post party poker at his place (a normal end to the evening with this group). I explain I’m playing elsewhere, but ask him to keep me in the text loop if they’re still playing later (after my other game breaks up), which I assume is a sure thing. While still at this party, one of Jason’s new neighbors is bragging about how drunk he is and how he just won around 8k from a slot machine at a casino, so he has lots of money for rebuys (this was later confirmed).

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Around 6pm I head to my other buddy’s house for cards (Chips and topper ready). They typically do three turbo games, but I only made it into the second game, when I busted early in a boat over boat hand against a pure novice. Oh well. Do I wait around for 90-120 minutes for the next game to start, or listen to the dozen drunk texts I’m getting from Jason to come over to play at his place.

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This is the topper I’m talk8mg about (though this isn’t my pic)
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I excuse myself from turbo fest game and head to Jason’s. He was not joking. We start out with a .50/1/10 game... it’s actually just .50/1, but that drunk 8k guy is raising blind to $10 pre 100% off the hands. He’s actually a decent card player, but clearly doesn’t like Money or care about results. He’s actually running like god, busting out his neighbors, then gifting them $50-ish stacks of his chips to keep them playing. We eventually move to 1/2 stakes, and it gets crazy

There’s also another run-good expert (but total poker newbie) that took one of these $50 gifts from 8k guy and turned it into a $600 stack in an hour. Guy could NOT lose, despite getting it AIPF against me several times with 2-3% equity and drilling the river 1-2 outter. Despite these guys’ ridiculous runs, I finish up $150-ish on the night.

@Highlander3 was there as well, and I’m sorry didn’t get any pics of players. Several of
The wives were over at Jason’s dancing and drinking. It was a fun night. Anyway, we quit playing cards around 6am. Ugh. The chips And table were awesome (as usual).

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An example of how bad the play was at my neighbors holiday turbo game, I had a funny situation involving another player.. blinds were big, 2k/4K. I was in the bb and with a hand I’d love to see a flop with cheaply. I had my best flat expression in place, and our villain is pretty much the only other person in the hand (SB), as he completes the action by placing another 2k on his 2k SB, I immediately announce “Check”, but as Im announcing, the SB has already reached back and is grabbing a crap ton more chips for the worst string bet I’ve ever seen...

I’m playing with complete novices, who dont give two rats assholes about official rules, they just want to play “friendly”. It’s a great group of guys, and I’ve already said my expectations were already low on the “poker” front. I don’t really go into these games to lose, but I also dont bring my “A” game of hyper concentration and studying my opponents.

So.. I do try to call out the string bet, and explain that it’s not really a legal raise... and that he just called... the table is starting to look at me with that “here he goes with that fancy rule shit again” look, and the villain says that the bet is now “14k” all matter of fact, and says that if he was playing at a casino, he’d be all for following “my” official rules. the vibe on the table seems like everyone agrees with him. I’m stuck with being a pereceived asshole or just going along with it.. I eventually just muck my hand, shrug it off.

I actually make a point to attemp some level of friendly education (since he’s next to me) of why he should not do this, and why a string bet rule is in place, and how it could be used to angle shoot by someone who knows what they’re doing, and he basically blows me off... AND to make matters worse, the guy in the SB does it to me AGAIN, and I vow to get revenge...

After the final table redraw for seating, he’s now to my left. I look down in MP with ACES and I can tell this guy is planning to call (with blinds at 5k/10k), as he’s sitting on a monster stack and I’m pretty short stacked. I slide 10k in the pot and quickly string bet the rest of my chips into the middle just as he’s saying “call” and tossing in a single chip into the pot.

Now, you have to know this group.. there’s a lot of shit talking and antics. It’s a fun bunch, so the table looks at him like “ha ha”, as He looks at me in disbelief, with a “huh? Wait, what?” Expression. My aces hold, and he later commented to me quietly that I was right, and he sees why some “casino type” rules are good to enforce in a home game... my attempts to educate him verbally fell on deaf ears.. I knew the only way he’d learn was to experience why. I think the rest of the table kinda got the point too...

Full disclosure, if I was in MY home game, I’d find my conduct kinda douchey. Getting revenge is kinda petty, and I dont usually get bent about low caliber home game etiquette... but in this environment, in this game with these guys, I knew my angle shoot wouldn’t be seen as douchey.. rather, people were laughing (eventually even the villain). Had I not been confident of how it would be perceived, I’d have just moved on and not tried to teach the guy a lesson. But damn, that revenge felt good!
 
Being a "perceived asshole" is perfectly fine, if you're right and justified. ;)

I normally agree, but being right doesn’t help me stay on the neighborhood game invite list... this was one of the biggest games of the year (two tables), but this same group hosts games every couple months that are a ton of fun, and held in some spectacular venues... one of the regular hosts has a $300,000 game room... and sometimes there’s a new neighbor who takes the game a bit more seriously, and they get an invite to my home games.

I play enough real poker (maybe 2x/week) that I can come donate $20 to a neighborhood game once in a while.
 
Funny that this thread hits the radar again (got a notification on it lol). I just played this years game, and I’ve come to realize as much fun as it is to see old faces and socialize, the poker is excruciatingly bad, and drunk drama ain’t worth it. And with dollar amounts in the $2-300 range for first, I just can’t get comfortable playing the “friendly” poor etiquette game.

It’s not my house. Not my game. I try to coax the players into correct play, while trying not to be THAT guy... I try to move the game along as best I can, but there are guys who just aren’t there to play cards whatsoever. They wait until they’re UTG and then get up to piss... making the entire table wait.

One guy was a real prick. I didn’t know his name until much later... We were seating the final table in the first tourney, and he’s taking the seat I was just vacating. I ask if he’d hand me my jacket (hanging on the chair), the guy then takes my coat off and whips it into the far corner... I’m not a confrontational kinda guy, and I’m sober (unlike this guy), so I retrieve my jacket. This dude is laughing like he just thought it was a funny joke. I mention coldly that I didn’t think that was very funny.

After we both bust, we are playing the side cash games, and I simply obliterated him, and hammered every sign of weakness. Normally in a game like this, I just play friendly since the money isn’t that much and the players just suck that bad. I don’t consider it real poker. I felted him twice. That felt real tho.

Then This guy was sitting next to me in the second tourney. He’s also the biggest absentee violator. At one point he leaves to the other room just as he was UTG. I purposely don’t say anything, but after waiting a minute, others at the table yell at him to let him know it’s his turn... He yells “go ahead and muck me”... well, I am lightning quick, muck him, muck my hand, and action continues. He is coming into the room and sees me muck his hand and screams at me.. “I was RIGHT here” and starts calling me a douche and dropping F bombs, flipping me off. And acting like he’s gonna try to kick my ass It was comical. Yes, alcohol was involved. I’ve seen fist fights started over much less, but I’m sober, and in no way threatened by this guy. As drunk as he is, he still realizes he’s no match. I do say, “you said ‘muck me’, what’d you expect” I then proceed to play cards, ignoring him. Though he does go all bi-polar 10 mins later, showing me his hands prior to mucking and trying to chat me up (super friendly). Lol.

ya. I got no time for drunk ass drama
Like that. I won’t likely be back next year. A couple hundred in profit ain’t worth it. This game changed from a bunch of neighbors to a bunch of this hosts’ construction buddies who apparently like to get super hammered and try to start fights when they can’t even see straight.
 
Funny that this thread hits the radar again (got a notification on it lol). I just played this years game, and I’ve come to realize as much fun as it is to see old faces and socialize, the poker is excruciatingly bad, and drunk drama ain’t worth it. And with dollar amounts in the $2-300 range for first, I just can’t get comfortable playing the “friendly” poor etiquette game.

It’s not my house. Not my game. I try to coax the players into correct play, while trying not to be THAT guy... I try to move the game along as best I can, but there are guys who just aren’t there to play cards whatsoever. They wait until they’re UTG and then get up to piss... making the entire table wait.

One guy was a real prick. I didn’t know his name until much later... We were seating the final table in the first tourney, and he’s taking the seat I was just vacating. I ask if he’d hand me my jacket (hanging on the chair), the guy then takes my coat off and whips it into the far corner... I’m not a confrontational kinda guy, and I’m sober (unlike this guy), so I retrieve my jacket. This dude is laughing like he just thought it was a funny joke. I mention coldly that I didn’t think that was very funny.

After we both bust, we are playing the side cash games, and I simply obliterated him, and hammered every sign of weakness. Normally in a game like this, I just play friendly since the money isn’t that much and the players just suck that bad. I don’t consider it real poker. I felted him twice. That felt real tho.

Then This guy was sitting next to me in the second tourney. He’s also the biggest absentee violator. At one point he leaves to the other room just as he was UTG. I purposely don’t say anything, but after waiting a minute, others at the table yell at him to let him know it’s his turn... He yells “go ahead and muck me”... well, I am lightning quick, muck him, muck my hand, and action continues. He is coming into the room and sees me muck his hand and screams at me.. “I was RIGHT here” and starts calling me a douche and dropping F bombs, flipping me off. And acting like he’s gonna try to kick my ass It was comical. Yes, alcohol was involved. I’ve seen fist fights started over much less, but I’m sober, and in no way threatened by this guy. As drunk as he is, he still realizes he’s no match. I do say, “you said ‘muck me’, what’d you expect” I then proceed to play cards, ignoring him. Though he does go all bi-polar 10 mins later, showing me his hands prior to mucking and trying to chat me up (super friendly). Lol.

ya. I got no time for drunk ass drama
Like that. I won’t likely be back next year. A couple hundred in profit ain’t worth it. This game changed from a bunch of neighbors to a bunch of this hosts’ construction buddies who apparently like to get super hammered and try to start fights when they can’t even see straight.
If the cards AND the people aren't good - sounds like skipping is the best call. I can deal with bad poker with good people. But I gotta have one or the other. Happy Holiday's Sir!
 
If the cards AND the people aren't good - sounds like skipping is the best call. I can deal with bad poker with good people. But I gotta have one or the other. Happy Holiday's Sir!

that sums up my feelings precisely
 
Yup, and the coat throwing guy wasn’t close to the end of the drunken douchebaggery. Another one of the super drunk game-slowers was in a hand vs a relatively sober neighbor. The drunk guy Shoves his med sized stack on a K78 rainbow flop (holding A7), Gets snapped off by the neighbor with a set of 8’s. When a K hits the turn, drunk guy is drawing dead, and everyone knows it, so along with a few others groaning sympathetically over the Hand, I mutter, “ya, that’ll do it”. Drunk guy takes huge offense to this and starts a major tirade with the host shortly thereafter in the other room. :rolleyes:

Come to think of it, these two dudes might have been ones involved in last years string betting-revenge? I can’t remember, but if so, maybe they were holding some pent up resentment? Who knows. I don’t really care all that much. I try not to hold onto negative baggage (and had actually forgotten the previous year’s antics until reading this thread, after attending this years game).

ya, gonna skip this event moving forward. Kinda sad tho, because there are a few good dudes who I enjoy seeing, and it seems like
This is the only time I get to catch up with them.
 
crazy how drama seems to find you so frequently

Hmmm, considering the last time I can recall experiencing this kind of drama at a game, was this exact game 1 year before, same characters, I wouldn’t classify that as “so frequently”, especially given the amount I play... and the game a year ago was the first drama I’d experienced in quite a while. If you play enough poker, and don’t experience some Drunken drama now and again, you’re probably not playing a lot of games.

As an observer, I’ve witnessed tons of incidents in local games, fights (both physical and verbal), accusations of cheating, and crazy outbursts, but I don’t normally report on those. And before you comment on the quality of the games I’m playing, a lot of shenanigans were at casinos.. Always seems like alcohol is involved though. I rarely drink.

...but thanks for chiming in.
 
ya, gonna skip this event moving forward. Kinda sad tho, because there are a few good dudes who I enjoy seeing, and it seems like
This is the only time I get to catch up with them.
Should invite those good ones to your games sometime.
 

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