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I am the seller of those GV snappers. I decided to list them on eBay instead of here because I had no idea of how much those would go for, if for $20 or a few times that, since I haven't seen any of those for sale for quite a while... I bought those from Jim a few years back and they have been in a box since...

I would have to respectfuly disagree with them being 'damaged' though... They are casino used chips with nicks, as I described and pictured... Their condition is not different than the used Terrible's MT Prim $1s, or Terrible's MT Prim 50¢ just to name a few... Some chips 'age' differently... Some get rounded evenly and some nick a little more (it seems the RHCs tend to nick more than the SCVs)... What's weird is that those GVs are not that old... They are still pretty beefy and all the faces are excellent... If you look the chips from above, they look almost new... Differently than the Empress $1s for example, with some faces and inlays in bad shape...

From a playing perspective, I personally rather play with those since they feel pretty good shuffling and stacking and still have a good weight to them instead of playing with some waffles, although the waffles may look better in racks... But that's personal preference I guess...

Reason I decided to chime in is just to illustrate how chips might show wear differently... I'm not concerned with a few extra bucks (up or down) on the auction, it's just a rack... They will go for what they would go and I was willing to sell them for whatever :cool:



thanks

too bad they are damaged
 
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Paulo, why you selling damaged chips? :confused:

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Respectful or not, you're delusional if you don't think that chips with nicked and chipped edges are damaged chips. It may be due to normal casino use, and even expected and/or inevitable, but it's damage nonetheless.

I would have to respectfuly disagree with them being 'damaged' though... They are casino used chips with nicks, as I described and pictured...
 

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Okay... Here we go...

By your definition, every single chips that has a nick or a chip is damaged, I get it... To me damaged means it cannot be "reasonably used"... By your definition, all chips that have heavy casino use are damaged, again, if that's what you want to call it, do it... I, once again, respectfully disagree... All the used Terrible's chips sold by Jim were damaged by your definition... Or is it just because those are mine? The one rack I put up for sale? I never said they were mint or anything, on the contrary...

I did not misrepresent the chips in ANY way... I mention they were used and that that use was represented by chip and nicks... And I specifically put a overhead picture to show that... Those chips could have gone for whatever people think your "damaged" chips are worth, 0.02¢ or whatever!! Personally, I don't care, it's just a rack... I bought those chips directly from Jim a few years back and they represent the average condition of ALL those GV snappers... There was no adverse selection done whatsoever differently than what some people do... Trust me, I was a victim of those adverse selection in the past a few times...

I have played in many casinos with chips that were in much worse condition than those, trust me...

The bottom line is that I called those chips casino used with nicks and chipped edges... If you want to called them damaged, please do so, but please be consistent when you're selling used chips with nicks, if you ever do so... Not going to argue semantics anymore... I described the chips fairly, put the pictures of the chips up and started the auction with a zero price and no reserve... What else do you want from me? Do you want me to called the chips damaged on the description? Is that what you want? Where did I go wrong in your opinion?

Respectful or not, you're delusional if you don't think that chips with nicked and chipped edges are damaged chips. It may be due to normal casino use, and even expected and/or inevitable, but it's damage nonetheless.
 

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lol, till359 musta hit a nerve or sumptin...

Nobody ever said ANYTHING about you misrepresenting those chips, or questioned your integrity or fairness. Just your misguided opinion that nicked chips aren't damaged. The fact that they are damaged is what lowers their value vs new/mint/undamaged chips.

I don't think you've done anything wrong at all. You stated the condition of the chips quite accurately, and provided pics that clearly depict their condition.

But ain't no gettin' around the fact that they are damaged, and if somebody wants to use that terminology, it's accurate. I think your definition of 'damaged' is actually closer to 'destroyed'. :rolleyes:

It's not really up for debate, as the definition clearly applies. In any case, no need for bunched panties.


Okay... Here we go...

By your definition, every single chips that has a nick or a chip is damaged, I get it... To me damaged means it cannot be "reasonably used"... By your definition, all chips that have heavy casino use are damaged, again, if that's what you want to call it, do it... I, once again, respectfully disagree... All the used Terrible's chips sold by Jim were damaged by your definition... Or is it just because those are mine? The one rack I put up for sale? I never said they were mint or anything, on the contrary...

I did not misrepresent the chips in ANY way... I mention they were used and that that use was represented by chip and nicks... And I specifically put a overhead picture to show that... Those chips could have gone for whatever people think your "damaged" chips are worth, 0.02¢ or whatever!! Personally, I don't care, it's just a rack... I bought those chips directly from Jim a few years back and they represent the average condition of ALL those GV snappers... There was no adverse selection done whatsoever differently than what some people do... Trust me, I was a victim of those adverse selection in the past a few times...

I have played in many casinos with chips that were in much worse condition than those, trust me...

The bottom line is that I called those chips casino used with nicks and chipped edges... If you want to called them damaged, please do so, but please be consistent when you're selling used chips with nicks, if you ever do so... Not going to argue semantics anymore... I described the chips fairly, put the pictures of the chips up and started the auction with a zero price and no reserve... What else do you want from me? Do you want me to called the chips damaged on the description? Is that what you want? Where did I go wrong in your opinion?
 

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till359 has NOT hit a nerve with me whatsoever!!! I didn't take any offense... He used the term damaged, I respectfully disagreed with term, explained my position and that was it! We never say The Chip Room will have a "Damaged Chip Sale"... And that those used Empress $1 are "so damaged"...

YOU were the one who hit a sore nerve... You, coming here and calling me delusional for my opinion, are basically calling me dishonest... You saying the chips should be called damaged and not used, are calling me a cheat... That's what you're doing... You can call the fact that I take offense "having bunched panties", or whatever cute expression you want to use, what I call is that I won't put up with that...

That's the end of the discussion for me...



lol, till359 musta hit a nerve or sumptin...

Nobody ever said ANYTHING about you misrepresenting those chips, or questioned your integrity or fairness. Just your misguided opinion that nicked chips aren't damaged. The fact that they are damaged is what lowers their value vs new/mint/undamaged chips.

I don't think you've done anything wrong at all. You stated the condition of the chips quite accurately, and provided pics that clearly depict their condition.

But ain't no gettin' around the fact that they are damaged, and if somebody wants to use that terminology, it's accurate. I think your definition of 'damaged' is actually closer to 'destroyed'. :rolleyes:

It's not really up for debate, as the definition clearly applies. In any case, no need for bunched panties.
 

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You, coming here and calling me delusional for my opinion, are basically calling me dishonest...

Your reading comprehension skills need some work. I never said -- or implied -- any such thing. Go back and try again.


You saying the chips should be called damaged and not used, are calling me a cheat...

I have no idea how you bridged ^that^ gap, but once again, I never said -- or implied -- any such thing. I never even said that they ~should~ be called damaged, just that they ~could~ be and it would be accurate, according to the commonly-accepted definition of the word.


Get a fucking grip, dude. Nobody's taking shots at you here, and I'm more than a bit surprised at your overreaction (and to something that never even happened).


Tommy, more cowbell please.....
 

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Nothing wrong with your sale or description, chaos. Multiple pics, accurate description and more than fair auction.

It's inaccurate at best, and devious at worst, for people to say they are damaged. They have casino wear or whatever, but they're not irreparably damaged. I don't know if their motives are to undermine your sale if they hope to lower the price or to just troll the thread.
 

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Thank you courage (and Mel)... I really appreciate the comment, it means a lot specially coming from you... My intention wasn't really to start any argument and I apologize if that's what's become... Thanks again...

Nothing wrong with your sale or description, chaos. Multiple pics, accurate description and more than fair auction.

It's inaccurate at best, and devious at worst, for people to say they are damaged. They have casino wear or whatever, but they're not irreparably damaged. I don't know if their motives are to undermine your sale if they hope to lower the price or to just troll the thread.
 

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I'm sure this is one of those lost in translation, lacking a better word type deals. "Damaged" is pretty rough, but still semantically correct IMO. There are nicks visible on a couple chips either from use or being dropped at some point in its life, either on the ground or a tip/drop box. Not that it would effect the usability of the chips much if at all, but it does look like more than normal wear and tear from a poker/blackjack game. If not "damage" then what word would you use to describe the nicks on a few of those chips?

I'm not insinuating you've done anything wrong (aside from maybe getting a little ruffled over a word a couple times) either. The nicks/use/wear and tear/damage/whatever you want to call it are visible and described in the listing, which is all anyone can expect and ask for. And I'm sure this thread got the attention of some people who might not have seen it otherwise.
 

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i have to rectify
what i wanted to say is used not damaged
wich for me is the same because nicks and other are damages due to the use of the chips my choice of word may not have be the best possible but it's a fact
and it was absolutely not about you

you have listed thoses as used with perfect description and great pics, you make your job perfectly and honestly when posting the auction
nothing wrong in your description and i have never say otherwise this is just a misunderstanding

i said that simply because what i search is mint this is why this is bad for me that they are not, simply that and nothing else
i just want to precise, i have say that cause in the headline of this topic the state is not precised

if i offended you i appologize
 
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Hey till!

No need to apologize whatsoever man! As I wrote a few posts back, I wasn't offended at all with your comments and kinda knew what you were trying to convey... The only reason I stated my opinion about your comment was that for someone else reading it, it would look like I was selling some chips with cracks, broken, missing inlays, stained inlays, etc... If you ask 100 people someone is selling damaged chips, that's what 99 would think... That's all... I have a lot of friends here and didn't want to give the impression I was selling 'damaged goods'... Once again, no need to apologize... I hope you find your mint GVs...

i have to rectify
what i wanted to say is used not damaged
wich for me is the same because nicks and other are damages due to the use of the chips my choice of word may not have be the best possible but it's a fact
and it was absolutely not about you

you have listed thoses as used with perfect description and great pics, you make your job perfectly and honestly when posting the auction
nothing wrong in your description and i have never say otherwise this is just a misunderstanding

i said that simply because what i search is mint this is why this is bad for me that they are not, simply that and nothing else
i just want to precise, i have say that cause in the headline of this topic the state is not precised

if i offended you i appologize
 

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If not "damaged" then what word would you use to describe the nicks on a few of those chips?

Casino used with nicks, as I did...

I'm not insinuating you've done anything wrong aside from maybe getting a little ruffled over a word a couple times.

Not a little ruffled over, a LOT ruffled over (again, nothing to do with till359!)... And I maintain my right to feel like that when someone is implying I am selling damaged goods and being dishonest... I certainly understand your right to feel differently if you were the seller but there's no reason for you to tell me I am wrong to feel the way I do...

And I'm sure this thread got the attention of some people who might not have seen it otherwise.

I couldn't care less about the attention... Actually, I take it back, I despise that attention... I am NOT a chip dealer or a chip flipper as some people around... I collect playable sets because I LOVE chips... I already have a really hard time parting ways with any of them... And the last thing I wanted is this BS... I have a rack that I decided not to use anymore, it's been boxed since I bought from Jim a few years back and I thought someone else might use 'em... I did not post an ad here, I did not post my eBay link here and if I knew what was coming, I would have never commented on this thread and maybe never even put the chips for sale... So once again, I despise this kind of attention...
 
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I saw the listing, looked at the description and if I were looking for well used snappers, I would place a bid. The pictures are clear and give a face and stack perspective. Everyone has their definition and to me these are not damaged. FWIW we like playing with the used Terrible's MT 1s just fine over here. The good chips come out when the table deserves them :)
 

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And I maintain my right to feel like that when someone is implying I am selling damaged goods and being dishonest... I certainly understand your right to feel differently if you were the seller but there's no reason for you to tell me I am wrong to feel the way I do...

You certainly do have that right... but NOBODY ever said or implied that you were dishonest. That's misunderstanding's on you. Sorry you got offended over nothing.
 

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TIL when I sell my house I must describe it as "damaged" since the floors have been walked on and the roof is now 5 years old.
 

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Okay Dave, I mention I would not continue arguing, and I still intend not to. But I believe I owe you, at least, presenting my reasoning since it seems to be lost on you. I'm going to use the aristotelian logic, numbered. I don't want to give a sense, by using this format, that I'm being condescending, 'cause I'm not... It's just an easier way of presenting the arguments in order. It's just the 'old man' way of presenting things:

1 - Poster initially mentioned chips were damaged.

2 - I politely disagreed and explained the reasons for my disagreement.

3 - A different poster, you, accused me of being crazy for not considering the chips damaged.

4 - I am not crazy, therefore, according to you, I MUST consider the chips damaged (otherwise I would be crazy)

5 - If I MUST think, according to you, that the chips are damaged and I STILL maintain I don't believe they are, I MUST be misrepresenting the condition of the chips.

6 - If I am misrepresenting the condition of the chips, according to the reasoning above, I'm dishonest and a cheat.

7 - Therefore you are implicitly accusing me of being dishonest (as I am not crazy)

That's the logic...

I already spent too much time writing here... This is a hobby I love and that brings me lots of joy... If starts to bring me heartache, I'm out...

One of the things that I've always strived for is to be an honest man. When someone questions that, even after all I did to be as open as possible about the condition of the chips, I DO take offense. Specially in a thread about selling those chips, when other people are reading how the sale is done. To me, again it's very damaging... I have lots of friends here and the last thing I want is my character questioned.

A discussion of the 'exact meaning' of 'damaged' is ABSOLUTELY irrelevant for the argument here. It MUST be taken in context... I am no 'dummy' not to know the meaning of it... We are talking general sense in regards to chips. I've been collecting sets for years and have seen thousands and thousand of ads, offers, etc... I have NEVER seen anyone referring to chips like that as damaged, certainly and specially not when it's expressly stated they are casino used with nicks! Maybe when there's a sale of ONLY single mint chips and among them there's one with a sizable nick, then maybe that chip is referred to as damaged, but that's in context to the other mint chips... Other than that, damaged chips refer to broken chips, missing inlay, cracked, etc...

Okay, that's my last piece here... I know I should have let go a few times, but I'm far from perfect... I consider myself the 'easiest-going' guy around but when something gets me, it really gets me...

Apologies to all of those that might be reading the thread... It wasn't my intention to turn it into a back and forth...

I hope the logic presented above can resonate with you... If it doesn't, there's nothing else I can do... We'll be playing together live and virtually, commenting in threads, reviewing chips, etc, so there's no sense and keep this shit going...



You certainly do have that right... but NOBODY ever said or implied that you were dishonest. That's misunderstanding's on you. Sorry you got offended over nothing.
 

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Hey, I still luv ya man. Just wanted you to fully understand that nobody ever questioned your integrity or honesty (no matter how you came to that erroneous conclusion). The malicious intent that you perceived just wasn't there, as evidenced by the many posts/comments since to the contrary.

We can probably agree that chips with nicked edges have minor damage, even if they are not routinely referred to as such. Fair enough? ;)
 

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lololol used = damaged. gimme a fckn break dave.

Nobody said that used = damaged. I have used sets that have wear but no damaged edges.

Dunno why this is so difficult for some to understand. It's the edge damage to chips that causes the loss in value, not the fact that they are used. Used chips with no damage retain value pretty well.
 

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Tommy is being so chaotic neutral in this thread.

Agreed. Tommy is being chaotic neutral and BG is being neutral evil. BG will increase his post count but will never be a paladin.

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I've been on the blue wall and here for 6 years now and I've never heard a chip with normal casino usage referred to as "damaged". The casinos will remove damaged chips from circulation (cracks, inlay peeling, etc). They'll allow used chips (VERY USED - look at Mohegan's $5s) to be used.

I have a 2007 4 Runner with normal wear - scratches, little ding mark in the door, etc. My insurance company would lol me out of the room if I tried to submit a claim because my car was "damaged".

Find whatever definition you want - reasonable people refer to damaged as significantly malformed above and beyond normal usage. Also, this entire thread is moronic. I just wanted to keep my post count in competition with BG.
 
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