10 person poker table in 146" (12'2") x 119" (9'11") room? (1 Viewer)

[legonick]

10 person poker table in 146" (12'2") x 119" (9'11") room?

Can it be done? What would the recommended table dimensions be?

Backing out the math....

146" room.
30" clearance (2.5')...best case, more often see 3 feet recommended.

146 - 30 - 30 = 86"...but that doesn't feel like it would cut it as a 10 person table...it'd be pretty cramped.

This room has 2 ways to be accessed, so maybe it would be OK to be tight on the ends. See picture. Those on the "right side" exit directly to the kitchen. Those on the left side can exit to the hall to kitchen.

Thoughts? Thank you for your time.

 

[T_Chan]

86" will be cramped for 10 players. Ok for 9, but getting cozy for 10.

Since you have 2 sides of access, you can have the long ends closer to the wall. Just have the players at the ends sitting off to the side, not at the absolute apex of the curves. Then can get up and leave from the exits on their side of the table. The 2 exits make it possible, otherwise half of the table would be trapped with a longer table needing players at one end to have to get up and move out of the way for anyone to leave.

94"x44" table with 20"x20" chairs:

 

[BGinGA]

10 person poker table in 146" (12'2") x 119" (9'11") room?

Good luck. I'd want at least 36" of space all around just to be able to back up chairs and enter/exit seats, so you're looking at roughly a 74" x 47" table max. to fit in that room size -- that's 22.4" of linear room per player for nine (minimally acceptable imo), but only 20.2" per player for 10 people. That's pretty bunched up, and if the players are large, it's out of the question.

 

[legonick]

@T_Chan, @BGinGA, super helpful, thanks guys!

@BGinGA on another thread you had posted elbow room calculations, see here: https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/space-required-around-a-poker-table.22937/. What calculator did you use to get those?

I have 1 other space for a poker table which requires a bit more work to setup and is less fancy than the dining room, and I'm thinking a 7' table would work good there. It's a complex room with lots going on...2 doors (pantry & basement) & 4 exits (hallway to front door, hallway to bathroom, kitchen, family room), so I don't think I can get a 8' in there comfortably.

But can I get 10 people seated at a 45" x 84" table? 1 "broad & tall" dude, 1 built like a dwarf (short and broad), 2 a little heavier, 1 super-tall but not that broad, the rest "skinny nerds" like me, LOL. And of course, that's just the "maybe" starting list...who knows what reg.s will be around in a year.

 

[Bluegrass Poker]

I need to read slower. I thought damn that’s the biggest poker table ever. LOL.

 

[T_Chan]

You can determine the space per player with this basic spreadsheet.

84x45 is do-able for 10 players but it'll be a really tight fit. I would say go bigger if you can, 84x42 is usually the suggested size for 8 players. You can fit 9 around okay, but 10's a squeeze.

 

[upNdown]

You can determine the space per player with this basic spreadsheet.

84x45 is do-able for 10 players but it'll be a really tight fit. I would say go bigger if you can, 84x42 is usually the suggested size for 8 players. You can fit 9 around okay, but 10's a squeeze.

Tony, you've posted this a few times, but unless I'm stupid (possible) it's been set to read-only, which prevents people from fooling around with their own dimensions

 

[T_Chan]

Doh... fixed.

 

[Taghkanic]

What if you put the table on an angle in the room? The diagonal should be the longest dimension.

 

[legonick]

@T_Chan super helpful, thank you! I made a copy of the sheet to edit it. You may want to change it back to read-only and add a note to do that. I don't have a deep understanding of the permission structure there, but you don't want someone accidentally messing it up and it affecting others use of it in the future. Maybe it's read-only except certain fields?

Anyways I think I'm leaning towards going with a 84" x 45" table for 9 people, with 9 cup holders in the rail. No racetrack. This seems like a best of all worlds solution. The 7' will fit the new space better, and with 9 people you are looking at 24.37" per player - PERFECT.

Thoughts on this? Is a 10-handed game a must-have? It seems like people feel more strongly that 10-handed is bad, and 9-handed is preferred. How did 10-handed come about? Aren't the "big events" like WSOP all 9 players + dealer? Is it a twisted evolution from casinos...like, casino is 9+dealer, people buy casino table for home game, don't have a dedicated dealer, so say OK let's add another player, hence 10-player?

 

[upNdown]

@T_Chan
Thoughts on this? Is a 10-handed game a must-have? It seems like people feel more strongly that 10-handed is bad, and 9-handed is preferred. How did 10-handed come about? Aren't the "big events" like WSOP all 9 players + dealer? Is it a twisted evolution from casinos...like, casino is 9+dealer, people buy casino table for home game, don't have a dedicated dealer, so say OK let's add another player, hence 10-player?

I don't know anybody who prefers a 10-player table. When I play in the NH cardrooms, the tournaments are usually 10-handed; the cash games are 9-handed. I noticed at the Encore Boston (back when they had poker) the tournament tables were all 9-handed - it's just more comfortable. I can't remember off the top of my head what they do at Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun.

 

[Taghkanic]

The diagonal from the lower left corner to upper right corner should be about 201-202”.

You need to leave some room for people to squeeze through the doorways, obv. But you might be able to do a fuller length table if you use the hypotenuse.

If the hutch is not built in, and could be moved to another spot, you could put the table on the other diagonal and make the doorways less cramped.

 

[Taghkanic]

P.S. For some reason MGM Springfield (MA) sits its cash games 10-handed (and I hate that).

 

[T_Chan]

10 handed isn't a must, I think you're right about it being an evolution in poker and in the casinos. I'm not a fan of 10 handed, I feel the more people at the table, the nittier the play gets. There's a higher chance of a player having a good hand with more players, so everyone tightens up. You get looser play with less players, kind of like when you get short handed to 4-5 players, your starting hand range opens up.

10 players at the casinos is likely getting more bodies per table = more rake. 10 handed the max I would want to play, 8 is ideal. At our league we have 9 per table just so that we can accommodate an extra 3 players (3 tables max). At another league I play at, they do 10 max which works fine as well.

 

[legonick]

Interesting...so tying this back into a poker table...would a poker table with 9 cup holders be too weird?

The space is too limited for drink carts, so cup holders it is. And the numbers work so dang well with 9 people at a 84" x 45" table. But it does NOT seem to be a standard anywhere. Would it weird you out to play at one? @T_Chan have you ever built one? Would it hurt resale value of the table if I ever had to move and sell it or something like that?

 

[DeeVee8]

If you can't build out, build up. How tall is your ceiling? Chanman can build the first double decker poker table.

 

[T_Chan]

Yes I've built tables with 9, 10 and 11 cup holders.

It could hurt resale if someone's looking for a specific number of cup holders, but as long as it's laid out nicely it shouldn't be a detriment.

 

[legonick]

Yes I've built tables with 9, 10 and 11 cup holders.

It could hurt resale if someone's looking for a specific number of cup holders, but as long as it's laid out nicely it shouldn't be a detriment.

What do you define as "laid out nicely"?

I found one actually on your web site @T_Chan! https://static.wixstatic.com/media/...128e46136a3d31c265~mv2_d_3024_4032_s_4_2.webp

Are those equal distance apart?

After looking through your entire photo gallary, I only saw one. But dang you do nice work! Great attention to detail - every piece really looks like it came out so clean and loved. "Keep up the great work!" LOL.

 

[Taghkanic]

My other suggestion (not sure if others have already proposed this) is to make paper cut outs of various table sizes and lay them on the floor of your room. You can arrange chairs with the front legs partially over the edges to get a sense of how much room you will have. A roll of brown craft paper from Staples/Office Max and some scotch tape will do the trick.

To reduce work you could start with the largest size you’re contemplating and just cut that down to get smaller sizes. Take pics as you go!

 

[legonick]

My other suggestion (not sure if others have already proposed this) is to make paper cut outs of various table sizes and lay them on the floor of your room. You can arrange chairs with the front legs partially over the edges to get a sense of how much room you will have. A roll of brown craft paper from Staples/Office Max and some scotch tape will do the trick.

To reduce work you could start with the largest size you’re contemplating and just cut that down to get smaller sizes. Take pics as you go!

Good idea, and I actually did do this, but with a "home-made" version from newspaper & masking tape. Pretty cheesy and not perfect on dimensions (~1 inch short on width, <1 inch short on length), but it did give me a good sense of the layout.