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Being super lazy about description - forgive me

Hero in bb: 180

Villain 177

Dealt: 6s7s

3rd player raises to 10 preflop, v calls, I call

Flop comes Q-x-x all spades

Hero bets 17, 3rd player folds, Villain raises to 50, I shove, Villain shows Ks-6d (no pairs, literally calling his stack vs a rogue spade, no ace is out either)

Gets his spade on the turn

Fml

My questionable shove on flop potentially but ended up being the "correct" move vs his hand, WHO CALLS OFF THEIR STACK WITH A KING HIGH 4 CARD FLUSH AND NO OTHER PAIRS
 

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WHO CALLS OFF THEIR STACK WITH A KING HIGH 4 CARD FLUSH AND NO OTHER PAIRS

Villian did exactly what you wanted him to do. You played it fine.

Villian is thinking he is semi bluffing and pot-sticking himself at the same time. You can make money from these players.

You don't control the run out, you control how good you were when you got the money it. He tried to gift you his stack, the deck didn't cooperate this time.
 

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Villian did exactly what you wanted him to do. You played it fine.

Villian is thinking he is semi bluffing and pot-sticking himself at the same time. You can make money from these players.

You don't control the run out, you control how good you were when you got the money it. He tried to gift you his stack, the deck didn't cooperate this time.
I completely understand he did exactly what I wanted - I'm just tilting haha

I got some justice vs others and about 100 back from that guy specifically - I hope he sticks around all day. I can handle the variance but I also like to vent XD

In for 400, up to 750 right now
 

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Standard low stakes nonsense from villian. Just keep doing what you are doing and accept you are going to get sucked out on in the short term but will be ahead in the long term if people keep playing low percentage draws against you.
 

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Follow up question that I've always struggled with - do you widen your range when deciding to get involved preflop with those bad players?
 

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Follow up question that I've always struggled with - do you widen your range when deciding to get involved preflop with those bad players?

I don't play too many extra hands in this spot, but I do shift more hands from calls to raises if I am in position on such a player. Look for a seat change if it improves your position on villian. And don't tilt, it will only hurt your roll.
 

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you got your money in good. considering how wild the play you leading out ended up great. the low variance play would be to check call and hide the strength of your hand and probably dump it on the turn. seems to be the only two ways you could have played the hand and the turn would have caused a loss either way. lots of variance but if you are well bankrolled you’ll be fine in the long run.
 

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In the future, post hands like this step by step without sharing the results to the very end. There are usually several spots worthy of discussion in the play of a hand. We will benefit from letting people evaluate all of the decision points.

Personally, I find the preflop call questionable. Hero is headed to a low Stack to Pot Ratio flop with a speculative hand in bad position. The SPR is just under six. This means anyone with top pair should generally stack off, though they might not on a monochrome board like this. < meaning that the rare times Hero gets lucky, he often doesn't get paid off. >

Also, there will be people who advocate a 3-bet squeeze here. I don't, but someone else might leading to a discussion.

As for the flop - should hero lead out? How much, was Hero's 55% pot donk bet best?

Villain reads would be useful. Can Hero count on a c-bet which he could check raise?

What does Hero do if villain just flats the $17 bet. Villain is getting almost correct direct odds for his call. The turn yields a four flush - what should Hero do? Does he fold to aggression?

Lots of meat on this bone. Let's pick it in the future! -=- DrStrange
 

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People don’t call the 5x pre with K6o to fold their flush draws, he was ready to gamble, and fwiw the pot odds aren’t good enough for him to call here but it might be closer than you think. His call loses him maybe ~$25 against your range but only $11 against this specific hand.

Follow up question that I've always struggled with - do you widen your range when deciding to get involved preflop with those bad players?

Yes I widen my range after this hand vs V unless I think V is trying to level me
 

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I am with Dr. Strange. I am not calling preflop especially oop. 76s is a 2-1 dog against K6. Without more intel on V just looks like a weak spot to start with. Sure you got a great flop but even then V is still almost 30% to win the hand. Its hard to say V called light when you say the flop was Qxx all spades. What those xx cards were could influence his decision a lot.
 

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Thirding that it wasn't a great call preflop--personally I would've just put it down.

The hand is entirely speculative and you're out of position.

imo low suited connectors are always a bluff--they're only a good bluff because they occasionally improve to a decent hand.
 

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Pre-flop I think calling suited connectors from the bb with MP open and Vil (effectively BU for the hand) cold calling. We are doing so knowing we are looking for favorable flops and with pot at 23, calling another 8 gives just under 3:1 odds so we toss 'em in roughly 25% of the time, though I may err towards 33% in cash games. Our hand is also arguably good enough for a 3! squeeze but lets stick with the action.

I like the leadout, bet of 17 into pot of 31 is solid but any single-high-spade hand will peal here, especially if vil is bad. I would size up a bit more, maybe around 25 or so. to squeeze more money out of them on a single-spade draw or if vil has AsQ and are just calling to see runout. As played here, Vil raises and you jam, I feel like this is standard, though sometimes flatting to ensure clean runout or getting it in later on a clean turn.

Yes I widen my range after this hand vs V unless I think V is trying to level me - Frogzilla

While I agree with frog here, don't get caught up leveling yourself into too wide of a range. We still want most of our range to dominate theirs at any point. One thing I've been thinking about when considering adjusting to a loose/bad fish the table is adjusting frequencies instead of my range to catch the fish more often. I have yet to look into this idea more deeply, any thoughts?
 
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