AT suited in BB (1 Viewer)

What do you do?

  • Fold

    Votes: 14 60.9%
  • Call

    Votes: 3 13.0%
  • Raise/Shove

    Votes: 6 26.1%

  • Total voters
    23

Anthony Martino

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Playing the ultra stack at derby

65 entrants, down to 13, 7 paid

Blinds 6/12k with 1k ante with 15 minute levels, we are 7 handed

I have around 190k, avg stack around 230k

Folds to cutoff, big stacked asian lady who keeps limp folding to shoves, she limps 12k

Button is local regular who plays a ton of these tourneys. Recently busted a player when he raised pre with 77 and got called by JJ, flop was 367 and he busted the dude, he's sitting on around 270k and raises to 30k

I'm in the SB with :ac::tc: and a stack around 190k

BB is short stack with around 60-70k

What do you do?
 
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Shove, Asian lady keeps folding to limp shoves like you said, and cutoff will have a very hard time calling off 70% of his stack approaching the bubble. You have a chance to increase your stack by 65k without a showdown most likely.
 
You got 2 cutoffs in your post, Asian Lady and Local Reg. Since you’re in the SB I’m going to assume the Reg is the button?

As I see it, If you raise without shoving you’re committing at least 25% of your chips and you’re OOP with a less then ideal starting hand. Not ideal, IMO.
Shipping your stack is also probably a bad idea through the BB shorty and 2 large stacks behind you.

The limp from the cutoff would worry me. She might be trying to trap the BB.
As I see it, A10cc just isnt a good enough of a hand for you to go to war with, given your stack size and position. Fold and live to play later.
 
You have a feeling that the shove will get the Asian lady out of the way, but it doesn't sound likely that it will get the reg gone, plus one to act behind you. I don't like this hand to go to war with in this situation. I fold, but I make them think it was a really agonizing decision.
 
You're out of position in the SB, already facing a call and a raise , both by two players that can bust your below average stack, & the BB is probably desperate as the shortstack, with chips already committed in the pot, & yet to act after you do ...
Fold, & watch the BB or cutoff bust as you move 1 step closer to the money.. You will be the Button next hand.
 
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This is such a great time of the tournament. Now is the time to be opportunistic - wait for the right opportunities and seize them. This is not one of them. Out of position, one short stack in the blinds yet to act, one limper with better position and one raiser with better position? It's really an easy fold in my mind - you've got over ten big blinds; that's PLENTY for now. Wave goodbye to your small blind, wave goodbye to those attractive looking (but not so great) cards, wait for better opportunities and enjoy watching somebody else screw up this hand.
 
My thinking was that the button doesn't have to hold a premium hand here. He knows the cutoff is limping too much, his raise doesn't commit him to calling for stacks and he has position post flop against an opponent that is weak.

Since I have AT I have blocks to him holding AA, TT, AK, AQ, AJ and I figure I have fold equity with my stack in this spot and an opportunity to scoop up some chips and keep my stack viable. I'll need to get to around 500K to have an average stack when we get in the money anyway and with 15 minute levels plus dealers that are slow as shit I figured this was a good spot and shoved.

BB folded, old lady thought for a bit and laid it down. The reg started trying to engage me in conversation but I just went into Hellmuth mode and didn't respond. He was considering laying it down, but eventually made the call with AQ off and I didn't improve.
 
Do you want min cash or go for the win ? Min cash important then fold and wait. Want to win or nothing shove it and try to get a bigger stack.
It's been my experience that in situations like this - approaching the bubble, average stack is below 20BB, that the idea that you need a big stack to win doesn't hold true. Everybody is essentially one double up from being in the cash and another double up from being chip leader. And those double ups WILL happen as the blinds increase and the action gets faster. Staying alive and waiting for good opportunities is much more important than stack size, in these situations.
 
Button could easily be making a squeeze against the cutoff playing tight (though he should raise more if that's his intention - this 2.5x with one limp seems like it's begging for a call) but with a player to act behind, being OOP, and having a marginal hand as we approach the button, I let this one go.
 
I could see a shove but I would fold. Just not quite strong enough to put all my chips at risk. But I totally fail to understand a call. OOP against everybody else who may be in the hand (at least two other players and three if the BB calls).
 
Fold > Call > Raise, imo.

If raising, shoving is better than a min-raise or anything in-between, but still a worse decision than either folding or calling.

If calling, plan to call if BB shoves and fold to a button re-shove. Otherwise, plan to jam a flop with any ace, any 10, two clubs, 7-8-9, or any two Broadway cards. Check-shove if ATx, AAx, TTx, or three clubs. Check-fold to anything else.

But I like folding best.
 
Man... I must suck even more than I think I do (really, I know I am not awesome). My initial thought was shove. It's a strong move and the 30K raiser would have to have a premium hand to call us. I don't feel like he is doing that with a 2.5 raise... unless of course he is.
 
Yeah, but nits who cash. :D

Nits that I send to the rail :p

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I've always subscribed to Dan Harrington's concept of first-in viggorish. I'm not wanting to shove over someone's raise when the stack sizes are shallow compared to the blinds. Unless you've got a big time tournament grinder bullying the table hand after hand, preflop raises should get way more respect than normal.
 
I'm going to do that math while I type and think out loud a bit here.

30K to you. You already have 6K in the SB. So, 24K to call from a 190K stack with a pot of 60K for now.

Calling - I like the pot odds to call, but there are many factors that make calling wrong, I think. 1) You are still risking over 1/8 of your stack. Pre-flop, I'm not big on calling for anything more than 1/10 of my stack at this point in the tournament. 2) You are way out of position to play the rest of the hand. 3) There are still two people to act including a short stack who may shove on a lot of hands, leaving you to wonder what to do next if/when he's called and re-raised. 4) I haven't ruled out that the Asian lady isn't setting up a call/shove scenario by call/folding a few times. So NO CALL.

Raising - Raising is a viable option here, but let's look at the math. A raise for anything less than 90K (including the 6K SB) is a waste. With your stack at 190K, a 90 K raise would leave you 104K. Again, I'm not big on a raise that leaves you with less than the pot after the flop and a stack that covers less than 5 circuits of the table. So, if you're going to raise, you have to shove here. The ultimate question is, is :ac::tc: a hill you are willing to die on. It's hard to say and get a read on the players, but I say no. 1) The raise to 30K looks like it is begging to be called. (Of course, maybe that's been his SOP all tourney, I don't know.) I'm thinking he could easily have a better ace or a big to middle pair. Best case scenario (other than an unlikely fold) is he has something like :kh::9d: and you are a 65/35 favorite. Maybe he has an underpair and you are only a slight dog. Still, he could easily have something like :ad::qd: (2:1 dog) or :qs::qh: (70/30 dog or so). Weighing these scenarios, I don't like the odds of shoving. 2) I'm still not convinced the Asian woman doesn't have a hand to call you. 3) While I'm not too worried about the BB in this scenario, he/she could still have a hand to severely dent your stack.

Folding - This looks like the best option to me.
 
You guys wouldn't know what to do with yourselves if you didn't have me to root against! :p

You should've seen when I shoved pre with :kh::ks: and ran into :as::ac: and pre-flop called for the heart flush and got there on a

:5h::6h::9s::ah::3h: board

That poor guy, he was the one the local reg busted shortly after with 77 against his JJ on a :3s::6c::7c: flop. That guy handled it with class though, didn't piss or moan. Meanwhile I'm in the corner Tony G style telling him to get back on his bike and head home to Russia
 
Playing the ultra stack at derby

65 entrants, down to 13, 7 paid

Blinds 6/12k with 1k ante with 15 minute levels, we are 7 handed

I have around 190k, avg stack around 230k

Folds to cutoff, big stacked asian lady who keeps limp folding to shoves, she limps 12k

Button is local regular who plays a ton of these tourneys. Recently busted a player when he raised pre with 77 and got called by JJ, flop was 367 and he busted the dude, he's sitting on around 270k and raises to 30k

I'm in the SB with :ac::tc: and a stack around 190k

BB is short stack with around 60-70k

What do you do?

Your out of position. If you had :ac::kc: that would be shove-worthy.

Also, there's a chance the short stack BB will shove if he has a hand. Fold.
 

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