And I see you’ve been shopping some Aromatherapy “Energy” lotion...
Planning on a rigorous night?
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And I see you’ve been shopping some Aromatherapy “Energy” lotion...
Planning on a rigorous night?
BeesKnees
Two Pair
I don’t think a flea market setting is a relevant comparison. There is buyers and there is sellers. We know the sellers are there strictly for a profit. In this setting (PCF) it is a community market as in sometimes you are the buyer and sometimes you are the seller so that demands a little more respect from each other.
Would you go over to your neighbors garage sale and announce in front of prospective buyers that items are overpriced? Especially without any intent on buying said items yourself? It would be classified as a total dick move.
Just because something is worth to me more than it is worth to you does not make it overpriced. The word overpriced doesn’t even belong in a free market. It’s either worth it, or it’s not, and worth is subjective.
Can you clarify how anybody, being able to post anything, makes for an environment that is only positive?
Wils
Flush
I'm not sure how this is "fun" for anyone involved TBH.
FlushBlack
Straight
i'd be worried bout sharing a motel room with EITHER of you
superchromix
Full House
Agreed that the practice of "positive comments only" is unnatural, and creates an environment where people can potentially overpay.
superchromix
Full House
That shouldn't be the case. On a chipping enthusiast site the main purpose of the classifieds should be to facilitate the exchange of chips between members, not to facilitate trading for profit. The "no negative comments" rule favors the latter.
If your motive is profit, take it to eBay.
Pretty sure he was referring to the flea market sellers, not sellers in the PCF classifieds.
The problem with allowing negative comments regarding price is that it usually devolves into a hijacked thread argument, and nothing ever gets accomplished. It's just a bitch session.
Besides, my momma always said that if you can't say something nice..... you know the rest of the story.
Nothing positive to be gained by allowing sales thread crapping (as defined in the TOA), but certainly are plenty of downsides.
One can always start a separate thread for the discussion of chip prices, either in general or for specific items. That's where it belongs.
OP
OP
RowdyRawhide
Full House
You can always PM with a lower offer. Any competent seller would realize they are over priced if they get multiple lower offers via PM.
justsomedude
Straight Flush
This post is on point.
I’ve purchased many, many chips with lower offers via PM. As long as the PM is respectful, chances are good you can negotiate a deal when chips have been sitting in the Classifieds unsold.
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
I understand the concept of being able to openly discuss prices in a classified ad, but BG is right - it opens an ugly door to derailment.
Other comments though should be allowed. When someone says "I'm selling these for my cost", but there are records that show that clearly isn't the case, that should be pointed out. Claims that "Beyonce actually played with these chips" better have actual proof, not some still shot where she was just in the building. My favorite, "these are the most sought after chips ever" may be subjective but is clearly meant to mislead a rube, while "These are the best chips ever" is just standard marketing.
Some people make false claims to jack up their sale price. False claims are simply wrong, and perhaps illegal. Yet corrections get smacked-down for "thread-crapping". It makes the forum look a little shady, even though the forum itself is doing nothing wrong. That's where I worry that we are protecting the profiteers, at the expense of the uninitiated.
Other comments though should be allowed. When someone says "I'm selling these for my cost", but there are records that show that clearly isn't the case, that should be pointed out. Claims that "Beyonce actually played with these chips" better have actual proof, not some still shot where she was just in the building. My favorite, "these are the most sought after chips ever" may be subjective but is clearly meant to mislead a rube, while "These are the best chips ever" is just standard marketing.
Some people make false claims to jack up their sale price. False claims are simply wrong, and perhaps illegal. Yet corrections get smacked-down for "thread-crapping". It makes the forum look a little shady, even though the forum itself is doing nothing wrong. That's where I worry that we are protecting the profiteers, at the expense of the uninitiated.
And if one's motive is negativity and causing trouble, take it to CT.
Really, man?
No extra love for the $20s and $500s?
Have a rack of the $20s..
As for the ES $5s...
Actually, the $5s are not a bad chip in general and better in person than pics I have seen.
And that chip grows on you also... The $1/$5 combo is quite nice. Yes, yes, yes, I know the 25¢ is great...
BTW, looking to add a couple of racks of those red birds Paul...
bentax1978
4 of a Kind
This is true, they are better in person. Or more accurately I should I say it is better in person because I only bought a sample chip.
Skip to end for TLDR.
The subject of "flipping" is as annoying to me as use of "butt-hurt". I would like to share a few thoughts, using superchromix's post as examples. I'm not targeting him, and apologies in advance to super if it appears that way.
Back to chipping, and I'll be waiting by my PM box for any ACF Paulson owners who want to sell anywhere near cost, or Google / Apple owners looking to make a reasonable 10% profit from their 2015 purchases. I suspect it might be a long wait....
TLDR: Sell your property for what you want. Resist the urge to be the price police. Ignore members you feel are unethical sellers, based on your personal principles. Reward members who help other PCFers. Be excellent to each other, and party on dudes!
The subject of "flipping" is as annoying to me as use of "butt-hurt". I would like to share a few thoughts, using superchromix's post as examples. I'm not targeting him, and apologies in advance to super if it appears that way.
That is certainly one valid opinion; however, it is not universally agreed upon. For example, the Paulson ACF purchase group obtained great chips at low prices. I would be happy to pay a premium to get those sweet chips; however, none are available in any appreciable / playable quantities, and certainly not "at cost". That is simply not a reasonable expectation to have, due to the large market demand. If such a "no markup" policy were expected on PCF, others would buy them and sell them tomorrow on eBay to reap all the profit. Anyone here selling Google at IPO pricing? Call me. Or asking me to sell my 3M at $60/ share? Wait by your phone for my call. Of course not. Prices move up/down, and the owner rides that wave alone. Mapes $5s used to be $2 from Spinettis. I paid $4-5 for mine on PCF and definitely disagree that anyone should feel obligated to sell to me for their original price, else I wouldn't have those chips. We applaud great Craigslist finds (e.g. @uclare amazing finds) as excellent chipping, and I've seen nobody state he shouldn't benefit from his hunting. The purpose of the classifieds is to facilitate the exchange of items. Period. On PCF, I think the clause "...without external negative discussion / influence" is also part of the cultural goal. Personally, I wouldn't attempt to enforce the second clause, but I can understand that position and consent to support it as part of using PCF. I abide by the same principle when I'm a guest in someone's house. It really shouldn't be difficult. Comments about "acceptable" profit thresholds, limitations, or other caveats are merely subjective opinions that vary by member, and everyone's opinions are valid. I prefer to let the free market work, without undue restrictions.
I strongly disagree. PCF facilitates fee-free exchanges between community members, which are a valuable service. The buyer(s) alone determine(s) a "fair" price. If someone is selling Mapes at their historically lower cost (as we have seen here recently for $1000 under market), that is their choice and I have posted to others in their sale thread how great a deal the seller is offering. I remember those sellers, and have a mental "good seller" list to hopefully reciprocate in kind. If I list a rack of Mapes $5s for sale tomorrow at $8/chip, and you personally feel that is egregious profiteering, I advocate that hitting "ignore" is the best course of action. My price could be a "don't want to sell it" price, or could be near/at the price I paid to fill a set. If I want to list dice chips coated in Beyoncé and Jay-Z sweat for $20/chip, I recommend the only thing PCFers need to do it hit ignore. "Problem" is solved.
Back to chipping, and I'll be waiting by my PM box for any ACF Paulson owners who want to sell anywhere near cost, or Google / Apple owners looking to make a reasonable 10% profit from their 2015 purchases. I suspect it might be a long wait....
TLDR: Sell your property for what you want. Resist the urge to be the price police. Ignore members you feel are unethical sellers, based on your personal principles. Reward members who help other PCFers. Be excellent to each other, and party on dudes!
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Psypher1000
Straight Flush
Thanks, Forrest! You said what I was thinking, but hadn’t the patience to calmly draft it.
bentax1978
4 of a Kind
Ditto.
Just adjusting your statement a little, since we all have different tastes and I personally know of Paulson sets (including some I own) that I would prefer to have over any ES or AS set (or the poor plastic PS set that gets left behind in all these discussions
). Don't get me wrong, for me they are up there with the best (my bank account has proof of this)... just can't claim the title by themselves or for everyone.. no single set can Maybe you are thinking of this similar to a free speech issue.
Think of this site as a private club... the rules are made by the club owners. They try to cater to their members and you can make suggestions... they may be good ones that are implemented, but maybe not. The TOS, etc. is at the discretion of the owner.
SixSpeedFury
Full House
I have in my possession a dice chip that Blue Ivy drooled on for exactly 3 seconds. Asking $300 or best offer.
And that chip grows on you also... The $1/$5 combo is quite nice. Yes, yes, yes, I know the 25¢ is great...
BTW, looking to add a couple of racks of those red birds Paul...
The ES $5 base color and spot pattern are all great.. but the spot color combo reminds me of home market Paulsons $5s (ala, Pharaoh, Calssic, CDI).
Just needed one bright contrasting color to pop more and fit in better with the rest of the set.
You know, kinda like the AS $5. It has a bright edgespot color that just so happens to match a color on that sick ES frac... hmmm
No, you're wrong.Just adjusting your statement a little, since we all have different tastes and I personally know of Paulson sets (including some I own) that I would prefer to have over any ES or AS set (or the poor plastic PS set that gets left behind in all these discussions
DJ Mack
Flush
In a case like this I think @inca911's suggestion of hitting ignore and moving on is still the best. It's going to be a rare day that somebody has clear proof, beyond a doubt of what somebody paid for the chips in question. Even when you think you do, you might not. What if someone buys a rack at $100 through the classifieds but then obtains a second rack offline or through PMs for $200 in the hopes of building a set? (Been there, done that). Plans fall through and the person says "you know what? I really just need one" and the second rack gets listed at $200 with a tag "at my cost." Someone who thinks they're the PCF CFPB comes along and craps all over the sale with so-called clear and convincing evidence of lying. Except that they're dead wrong. Now the seller catches a bad rep due to libel. The seller owes nobody an explanation, lest of all some random person not actually interested in buying. There's no rule that says "your cost" must be your average cost. It's an option, but not a requirement.
If requested by a potential buyer then sure. An interested buyer can ask for whatever he/she wants to make an informed decision as to whether the item, condition and quantity warrant the asking price. If that information isn't forthcoming or unsatisfactory then the buyer doesn't buy. It just kind of works itself out.
IMO the only thing that is a public concern is if somebody does not deliver what they took money for. Beyond that if it's not an item one is legitimately interested in buying then i don't think it's appropriate to challenge a seller in their own sale thread.
No, you're wrong.
I stand corrected..
I'd also like to clarify some misconceptions about the Empress Star.. I believe it was an old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era.
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
So you find it perfectly acceptable to blatantly lie about chips you would sell. Duly noted.
The story I heard was someone drooled on the chip while looking at Beyonce and the 3 seconds referred to a different action..
trever
Flush
You might want to re-read his post, LIFO inventory accounting might be an imperfect system, but it certainly is not blatant lying.
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