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So it’s the final table of a 6-max tournament and we’re on the stone bubble. Top 3 paid. 4 players remain.

Stacks:
Hero : 70k
Villain 1 - Splashy aggro guy : 30k
Villain 2 - Loose aggressive good regular winning tourney player : 65k
Villain 3 - Tight aggro player : 100k+

Blinds are 400/800. Payouts are 3rd - 7.5k, 2nd 11.9k, 1st 18.9k.

Hero’s tournament image has been on the tighter side for a 6 handed tournament and very aggressive when entering pots 3betting around 30% of pots that are opened.

Recent history vs Villain 2: Villain has opened the last 6/10 hands and we 3 bet him twice and won both hands.

Villain 2 UTG opens to 1.9k. We look down at :ad::jh: on the Button. Action on hero, do we flat, fold or raise?
 
I think AJ is a pretty good hand, 4 handed and you want to get involved.
I think if you flat here, you’re just hoisting a big red flag.
So I say you 3-bet to whatever you’ve been 3-betting. So, 5500ish?
 
You are probably ahead of V2s range short handed, but your not exactly loving if you face a 4b. Given that he may think you've been getting a little frisky with your 3 bets though, you might still be ahead of his 4b range in this spot.

I think you can either flat or raise, never ever folding AJ 4 handed. If you raise be aware you might get 4bet light and plan to flat given recent history. Either way I'm not looking to stack off with anything less than 2p so deep on the bubble.

I probably 3bet planning to flat a reasonable sized 4bet, and look too pot control any A high or J high flop given we have position.
 
With the bubble consideration and a short stack, Hero decides to flat here and keep the pot small. SB folds and BB completes leaving a pot of $6900 (with antes).

Flop is :js::5d::ts:.
BB checks. UTG bets 3.7k.
Action on Hero with :ad::jh:.

Call/raise?

Hero thought long and hard about 3 betting but didn’t want to risk V2 playing back at us and putting us in a marginal spot.
 
I probably flat again. We have position and we still don't want the pot getting huge on the bubble. I would probably call and plan on calling him down if the bet sizes stay reasonable and we don't have somekind of crazy run out like spade spade
 
Call the CBet, you likely have the best hand, but I'm still just looking to pot control on the bubble here without holding a monster hand.
 
v1pe said:
Call the CBet, there are very few hands in his range that are ahead of you.
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I think I’d rather a re-raise. Don’t let anybody catch anything. Make it 10k.

I edited out the part about calling down anything - didn’t realize we had 90 big blinds.
 
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upNdown said:
I think I’d rather a re-raise. Don’t let anybody catch anything. Make it 10k.
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I edited my post, kind of forgot the back story here for a minute.

We could raise for value, I don't hate it, but I'd rather keep the pot manageable and keep villain's range wide. There aren't many turn cards we like except blanks and I'd rather win a small pot than get blown off my hand. That said, taking it down here would be great, but I'm not sure I see a fold from villain just yet.
 
v1pe said:
I edited my post, kind of forgot the back story here for a minute.

We could raise for value, I don't hate it, but I'd rather keep the pot manageable and keep villain's range wide. There aren't many turn cards we like except blanks and I'd rather win a small pot than get blown off my hand. That said, taking it down here would be great, but I'm not sure I see a fold from villain just yet.
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Still raising to 8k
 
I like a raise here. Plenty on draws around. I don't care for the size of the 8K raise ^. Too small, imo. I'd make it 13K.
 
4 handed I would almost always play this very agressivly pre flop and defiantly after this type of flop. If I am on the bubble though I'm probably just calling and trying for pot control.
 
Trihonda said:
Still raising to 8k
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Like I said I don't hate it. I'm mostly thinking I'm trying to avoid an awkward situation on further streets. I feel like we often have the best hand here and I don't want to play a huge pot on the bubble or risk getting blown off the best hand.

What's the plan if we get reraised? Maybe we can peel one but we are essentially drawing to a blank card. If any Broadway or spade comes in I think we have to fold to another bullet. Not holding the As is good for us in this situation. Whereas if we float the flop I think we can still call a 2nd barrel pretty much regardless of the turn. Folding to a 3rd barrel on the river depending on run-out.

If V flats our raise do we can plan to check back and call a reasonable river bet on certain runouts, I guess that's similar to flatting the flop though.
 
colter ripton said:
4 handed I would almost always play this very agressivly pre flop and defiantly after this type of flop. If I am on the bubble though I'm probably just calling and trying for pot control.
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Exactly, we have a splashy agro short stack in the game and I'm not trying to play any big pots without a monster holding on the stone bubble.
 
colter ripton said:
4 handed I would almost always play this very agressivly pre flop and defiantly after this type of flop. If I am on the bubble though I'm probably just calling and trying for pot control.
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I’m usually all about pot control if I’m at or near the bubble. But if I’m in second place with almost 90 bb, I’m playing poker!
 
v1pe said:
Like I said I don't hate it. I'm mostly thinking I'm trying to avoid an awkward situation on further streets. I feel like we often have the best hand here and I don't want to play a huge pot on the bubble or risk getting blown off the best hand.

What's the plan if we get reraised? Maybe we can peel one but we are essentially drawing to a blank card. If any Broadway or spade comes in I think we have to fold to another bullet. Not holding the As is good for us in this situation. Whereas if we float the flop I think we can still call a 2nd barrel pretty much regardless of the turn. Folding to a 3rd barrel on the river depending on run-out.

If V flats our raise do we can plan to check back and call a reasonable river bet on certain runouts, I guess that's similar to flatting the flop though.
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Still raising to 8k :)
 
v1pe said:
Well, what did you do? On to the turn! :D
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Wanted to give this more time (actually I was asleep :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:)

Hero thought about a raise to 9.7k to get value from what is most likely the best hand at the moment and attempt to deny equity to any of the drawing hands that V2 or the BB could have. But instead, hero went back into pot control mode and just flat called. BB folded his hand.

Edit: we made a mistake about the flop, it was a :2s: not :ts:

Flop :js::5d::2s: Turn :ac:
14.3k in the pot, we have :ad::jh:

V2 bets 8.5k.

Action on hero.
 
Trihonda said:
I’m raising. Make it 8k. Find out where you’re at.
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colter ripton said:
I probably flat again. We have position and we still don't want the pot getting huge on the bubble. I would probably call and plan on calling him down if the bet sizes stay reasonable and we don't have somekind of crazy run out like spade spade
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v1pe said:
Call the CBet, you likely have the best hand, but I'm still just looking to pot control on the bubble here without holding a monster hand.
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upNdown said:
I think I’d rather a re-raise. Don’t let anybody catch anything. Make it 10k.

I edited out the part about calling down anything - didn’t realize we had 90 big blinds.
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v1pe said:
I edited my post, kind of forgot the back story here for a minute.

We could raise for value, I don't hate it, but I'd rather keep the pot manageable and keep villain's range wide. There aren't many turn cards we like except blanks and I'd rather win a small pot than get blown off my hand. That said, taking it down here would be great, but I'm not sure I see a fold from villain just yet.
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Thinking about this more, I really like a raise more than just calling here. The BB was also in the hand at that point and I'm pricing him in to see a turn.
 
jemfernandez said:
we made a mistake about the flop, it was a :2s: not :ts:

Flop :js::5d::2s: Turn :ac:
14.3k in the pot, we have :ad::jh:

V2 bets 8.5k.
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This actually impacts the hand significantly. As hands I would be worried about (in his range) would be TJ or KQ. Of course, We block AA and JJ (don’t think he’s that strong). I feel we’re only behind 55 or 22. If we are up against a set, well.. that sucks.

At this point, I want to hammer to charge him big if he’s on a spade draw. I’m fine if a three bet takes it down here...
 
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2s vs Ts does make a huge difference, I'm much happier to see an Ace on the turn.

I also screwed up and missed that the BB was still in the hand. :confused:

Given these two things I think a raise is preferable on the flop. Like Trihonda said I think we're only losing to a set, 22 or 55 really...we block JJ and AA. 34s is possible... But not as likely. I like 11-12k (somewhere between 3-4x).

I'm definitely raising the turn, but I could argue a slow play and a raise on the river if opponent is particularly aggressive. It's worth noting that your hand is under repped so I think a thin value bet or a bluff on a bricked river from villain is entirely possible.
 
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Hero decides now is the time to get full value from V2 and raises to 22k, setting up a river jam. Hero thinks Villain could have hands with the Ax of spade that can call this river raise and potentially hero call a jam if river bricks and would check behind on any spade.

Villain tanks for about 1 minute then calls.

Flop, turn :js::5d::2s: :ac: River :ks:
58.3k in the pot, we have :ad::jh:

Villain 2 tanks for another minute and leads out, going all in for 37k. Hero covers villain with 5k behind.

Action on hero
 
And this is why you should have bet bigger earlier.
There are soooo many things that beat you. Everything got there. As played, I’m folding 100% of the time here. Your two pair is beat by:
JJ
55
22
KK
AA
AK
Pretty much all of which could be in his range.
Also
K10
34
Any 2 spades
FoldFoldFold
 
I think I prefer a larger raise on the turn, at least 3x but probably 3.5-4x.

Probably the worst card in the deck on the river :(

Let's think about what beats us in his range...

JJ, 22, 55, AA, KK, AK, 34s, A5ss, A3ss, A4ss I think are all within reason...stretching maybe to 45ss and 56ss

I don't think he gets to this spot with QT unless it's QTss exactly.

What are we beating that is still in his range...

A2o, A5o, AQo, and airball bluffs? I don't think he gets there with anything else...maybe KJo (strong maybe).

I think you have to fold.

I don't think the hand was played poorly. Given the recent action, a 3B preflop might not have really gotten you much information (he might call or 4b light with all of the hands that still beat us). I don't think you are chasing off any of the hands that we are beat by on the flop. You might chase off KK exactly on the turn, but I think everything else sticks around. You might get rid of random spades if you raise the turn as well I guess, but I don't know if he's going to double barrel a naked flush draw here.
 

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